Now that the FDA has approved the vaccine has it changed your mind?

[InChrist]

They're not prescribing it because it doesn't appear to work against COVID. That's just according to studies that have been carried out though ..

Flawed ivermectin preprint highlights challenges of COVID drug studies
Effect of Ivermectin on Time to Resolution of Symptoms Among Adults With Mild COVID-19
Ivermectin to prevent hospitalizations in patients with COVID-19 (IVERCOR-COVID19) a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial | BMC Infectious Diseases | Full Text
https://www.cochranelibrary.com/c/portal/license

I have no idea why you're quoting Michelle Malkin, given that she doesn't come anywhere close to being a doctor, epidemiologist, virologist, etc.

Michelle Mallon is a reporter and she was reporting on the history and use of Ivermectin, as well as highlighting reputable studies.
Plenty of real doctors have successfully used ivermectin as a part of their early treatment and protocol for real Covid patients...saving lives.

Doctors cure 6,000 patients with Covid-19 with Ivermectin

 

[Kenny]

I have wondered, also, why there hasn’t been more emphasis on early treatment to minimize hospitalizations and severe symptoms or death. I think many doctors have wondered the same thing because the way Covid has been addressed, without emphasizing early treatment protocols, has been unprecedented.
Dr. Peter McCullough addresses the subject...

I’d say it’s all about the money and profit to be made from the massive worldwide vaccine distribution, forced, if need be. Can’t let people beat the virus with inexpensive, early treatment.

This is quite an interesting video!

"Go home and quarantine" - doesn't seem like to me as "standard treatment".

 

[metis]

I have wondered, also, why there hasn’t been more emphasis on early treatment to minimize hospitalizations and severe symptoms or death. I think many doctors have wondered the same thing because the way Covid has been addressed, without emphasizing early treatment protocols, has been unprecedented.
Dr. Peter McCullough addresses the subject...

I’d say it’s all about the money and profit to be made from the massive worldwide vaccine distribution, forced, if need be. Can’t let people beat the virus with inexpensive, early treatment.

The best "early treatment" according to the scientific research are the vaccines-- pure & simple. Maybe check recent issues of "Scientific American" for verification.

 

[metis]

Michelle Mallon is a reporter and she was reporting on the history and use of Ivermectin, as well as highlighting reputable studies.
Plenty of real doctors have successfully used ivermectin as a part of their early treatment and protocol for real Covid patients...saving lives.

But not for covid.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I have wondered, also, why there hasn’t been more emphasis on early treatment to minimize hospitalizations and severe symptoms or death. I think many doctors have wondered the same thing because the way Covid has been addressed, without emphasizing early treatment protocols, has been unprecedented.
Dr. Peter McCullough addresses the subject...

I’d say it’s all about the money and profit to be made from the massive worldwide vaccine distribution, forced, if need be. Can’t let people beat the virus with inexpensive, early treatment.

The vaccine does that.

 

[ecco]

So if one has adverse reactions they can't be held liable for it. People take the vaccine at their own risk.

What a ridiculous concept. People do all kinds of things at their own risk. Some parasail, climb mountains, hikein bear country, get vaccines, drive to the store. Of all of those, only getting vaccines is designed to prolong your life, not shorten it.

Is this your latest rationale for not getting vaccinated: You can't sue someone if you are the 1 in ten million who has a bad reaction?

You keep coming up with ridiculous reasons for not getting vaccinated.

 

[ecco]

I have wondered, also, why there hasn’t been more emphasis on early treatment to minimize hospitalizations and severe symptoms or death.

What early treatment?

What is early?
Day 1 you get infected but don't even know it.
Day 2 you still don't know.
Day 3 you start feeling bad. But is it COVID, a cold, a bad night's sleep.
Day 4 you really start going downhill fast. You go to the ER. A test determines you have COVID, you get admitted.

When, in the above, would you have started "early treatment"? What early treatment?

 

[ecco]

I’d say it’s all about the money and profit to be made from the massive worldwide vaccine distribution, forced, if need be. Can’t let people beat the virus with inexpensive, early treatment.

What is the cost of "early treatment"?


How much does a vaccine shot cost?

The Price Tags on the COVID-19 Vaccines

So far, governments around the world have been the only purchasers of the COVID-19 vaccines, so the price has been set by government contracts. But different countries are paying different prices. South Africa, for example, reportedly paid $5.25 per dose for the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine in January, more than twice the price of $2.15 per dose paid by the European Union (EU), according to a report in BMJ. The South African government has announced that it is holding back on administering that vaccine because it may be less effective against the country’s namesake variant.

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The EU is also paying less for the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine than the U.S., $14.70 per dose versus $19.50, according to figures reported in BMJ. On the other hand, the U.S. is paying less for the Moderna vaccine (about $15) than the EU (about $18), according to the BMJ piece.​

How much does a week in the hospital cost? For even mild cases, there are after-effects requiring multiple visits to multiple doctors. How much does that cost?

Hospital and doctor costs come out of your pocket. Right now vaccines are free.

Your argument is without any merit whatsoever.

 

[Wandering Monk]

I have wondered, also, why there hasn’t been more emphasis on early treatment to minimize hospitalizations and severe symptoms or death. I think many doctors have wondered the same thing because the way Covid has been addressed, without emphasizing early treatment protocols, has been unprecedented.
Dr. Peter McCullough addresses the subject...

I’d say it’s all about the money and profit to be made from the massive worldwide vaccine distribution, forced, if need be. Can’t let people beat the virus with inexpensive, early treatment.

US cardiologist makes false claims about Covid-19 vaccination

 

[metis]

To me, it's totally bizarre that so many are willing to take ivermectin and/or hydroxychloroquine, both of which are dangerous and haven't shown effectiveness against covid in testing, and yet they're afraid to take the current vaccines???

So, what propels them to do this? Basically three things imo: right-wing media, right-wing politics, and not doing the research through scientific sources and/or reputable agencies like the CDC, NIH, FDA, and the WHO.

 

[ecco]

Dr. Peter McCullough addresses the subject...

US cardiologist makes false claims about Covid-19 vaccination

The "testimony" was from March 2021. It was from a cardiologist.

I wonder how many Texans stayed unvaccinated because of the testimony of this cardiologist and have died as a result.

If there are people who take immunology advice from a cardiologist - oh well.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

What a ridiculous concept. People do all kinds of things at their own risk. Some parasail, climb mountains, hikein bear country, get vaccines, drive to the store. Of all of those, only getting vaccines is designed to prolong your life, not shorten it.

Is this your latest rationale for not getting vaccinated: You can't sue someone if you are the 1 in ten million who has a bad reaction?

You keep coming up with ridiculous reasons for not getting vaccinated.

I think there's a link (279) I posted about the government made it to where non direct misconduct can't be held liable.

Your post is debuting a claim I never disagreed with.

Aka. My post supports your statement but I got the info from an authoritative source not an opinion. Look back at the post. I dont think you read it. Here were no rebuttals.

Invisible argument.

 

[ecco]

I think there's a link (279) I posted about the government made it to where non direct misconduct can't be held liable.

Your post is debuting a claim I never disagreed with.

Aka. My post supports your statement but I got the info from an authoritative source not an opinion. Look back at the post. I do r think you read it. Here were no rebuttals.

Invisible argument.

OK

 

[Ponder This]

I observe that anti-vaxers have the most unscientific
arguments...they'll use scientific terms, but without
understanding how they're cromulently used.

I can agree that anti-vaxxers also use arguments that don't always rely on science.

 

[InChrist]

But not for covid.

Yes, for Covid.


Role of ivermectin in the prevention of SARS-CoV-2 infection among healthcare workers in India: A matched case-control study - PubMed

Covid, ivermectin works and now WHO officials face the death penalty in India


flccc.net/summary-of-the-evidence-base-final/

 

[InChrist]

To me, it's totally bizarre that so many are willing to take ivermectin and/or hydroxychloroquine, both of which are dangerous and haven't shown effectiveness against covid in testing, and yet they're afraid to take the current vaccines???

So, what propels them to do this? Basically three things imo: right-wing media, right-wing politics, and not doing the research through scientific sources and/or reputable agencies like the CDC, NIH, FDA, and the WHO.

Reputable???
All of these agencies have a history of being influenced, if not outright controlled by special interest industry money.

WHO downplayed the health effects caused by the 1986 Chernobyl nuclear disaster and collaborated with opioid giant Purdue creating an opioid addiction crisis.

Bill Gates is the second largest funder of the WHO providing well over 4 billion to their biannual budget. He is also heavily invested in Pfizer and other vaccine producing pharmaceutical companies. Think there’s no conflict of interest taking place?

Meet the world’s most powerful doctor: Bill Gates

There are numerous examples of collusion between government agencies and corporate entities that occur for monetary gain. Look at what happened with the revolving doors between the FDA, EPA and Monsanto...

The Revolving Door: FDA and the Monsanto Company

The trail of corruption goes on and on...

https://www.*****ute.com/video/kEn3iVabHtao/


Anatomy of Corruption: WHO Public Health Guidelines - Alliance for Human Research Protection


Risky Drugs: Why The FDA Cannot Be Trusted


The CDC is being influenced by corporate and political interests

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...37adbe-7c09-11e9-8bb7-0fc796cf2ec0_story.html


U.S. Medical Research Agency Fires Dozens of Scientists with Financial Ties to China - Judicial Watch



I find is bizarre that so many are willing to place blind faith in agencies which have so clearly demonstrated that public health is not their first priority. Allegiance to pharmaceutical and other industry money certainly takes precedence.

 

[ecco]

I find is bizarre that so many are willing to place blind faith in agencies which have so clearly demonstrated that public health is not their first priority. Allegiance to pharmaceutical and other industry money certainly takes precedence.

I find it bizarre that so many are willing to place blind faith in anonymous posts on conspiracy websites.

I find it bizarre that so many are willing to ignore factual statistics.

I find it bizarre that so many prefer snake oil to medicine.

However, I'm not surprised by those who fall into the above. Religious views against science are constantly instilled in very young children. I have heard more than a few people say they will not take the vaccines because God will protect them.

 

[ecco]

To add to post # 300

Google "pastor dies from covid"

'He got pretty sick pretty fast': Collierville pastor dies from COVID-19

Dr. Ron Buck, the senior pastor of Collierville Christian Church and former pastor of Lindenwood Christian, said Parks died after a nearly month-long stay at Baptist.
​

“He got pretty sick pretty fast,” said Buck. “It was just never good by the time he was hospitalized. We were hopeful, of course, and lots of people were praying for him and expecting him to get better.”
​

https://www.kansas.com/news/coronavirus/article254025338.html

On Thursday, the church shared a post explaining that Turner, 58, had been receiving treatment for COVID complications but that the doctors said that there was nothing more that they could do medically and that they would be removing life support on Friday. The post asked church members to pray that Turner would be able to breathe on his own.
​

Unvaccinated Pastor Who Almost Died Of COVID Now Preaches The Importance Of Vaccines

But he thought since he's in his 40s and generally healthy, getting the virus wouldn't be a big deal.

Unfortunately that was the attitude that I had: That if I did get it, I thought it would just be a nothing issue. And in that I was deeply, deeply wrong.

Pastor Danny Reeves on why he didn't get a COVID-19 vaccine

"Unfortunately that was the attitude that I had: That if I did get it, I thought it would just be a nothing issue," he says. "And in that I was deeply, deeply wrong."

Reeves describes his experience at the hospital as "harrowing." At one point during his two-night stay in the ICU, a doctor told him he might die.

Weeks later, Reeves is still recovering.

"It ravaged my healthy body," he said. "There's no doubt."
​

7 members of Florida church die of COVID-19 within days; at least 6 unvaccinated

7 members of Florida church die of COVID-19 within days;
Shortly after six unvaccinated members of a Florida church died of COVID-19 within days of each other, a seventh infected church member has now died, the pastor said.​

Among the first six from Impact Church in Jacksonville who contracted a fatal case of the virus, all were previously healthy, and four were under 35 years old, according to a report in WFLA-Channel 8.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

To add to post # 300

Google "pastor dies from covid"

'He got pretty sick pretty fast': Collierville pastor dies from COVID-19

Dr. Ron Buck, the senior pastor of Collierville Christian Church and former pastor of Lindenwood Christian, said Parks died after a nearly month-long stay at Baptist.
​

“He got pretty sick pretty fast,” said Buck. “It was just never good by the time he was hospitalized. We were hopeful, of course, and lots of people were praying for him and expecting him to get better.”
​

https://www.kansas.com/news/coronavirus/article254025338.html

On Thursday, the church shared a post explaining that Turner, 58, had been receiving treatment for COVID complications but that the doctors said that there was nothing more that they could do medically and that they would be removing life support on Friday. The post asked church members to pray that Turner would be able to breathe on his own.
​

Unvaccinated Pastor Who Almost Died Of COVID Now Preaches The Importance Of Vaccines

But he thought since he's in his 40s and generally healthy, getting the virus wouldn't be a big deal.

Unfortunately that was the attitude that I had: That if I did get it, I thought it would just be a nothing issue. And in that I was deeply, deeply wrong.

Pastor Danny Reeves on why he didn't get a COVID-19 vaccine

"Unfortunately that was the attitude that I had: That if I did get it, I thought it would just be a nothing issue," he says. "And in that I was deeply, deeply wrong."

Reeves describes his experience at the hospital as "harrowing." At one point during his two-night stay in the ICU, a doctor told him he might die.

Weeks later, Reeves is still recovering.

"It ravaged my healthy body," he said. "There's no doubt."
​

7 members of Florida church die of COVID-19 within days; at least 6 unvaccinated

7 members of Florida church die of COVID-19 within days;
Shortly after six unvaccinated members of a Florida church died of COVID-19 within days of each other, a seventh infected church member has now died, the pastor said.​

Among the first six from Impact Church in Jacksonville who contracted a fatal case of the virus, all were previously healthy, and four were under 35 years old, according to a report in WFLA-Channel 8.

This is just like anti-vaxxers listing a range of breakthrough deaths to highlight breakthroughs as a means to distrust the vaccines.

It's "misinformation" and highly biased towards the provax propaganda and media doesn't show there are other factors involved in these deaths. It also presents a couple of logical fallacies:

1. Cum Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc
Claiming two events that occur together must have a cause-and-effect relationship.

Unvaccinated person gets COVID means if that person dies it's because they are unvaccinated.

2. Ignoring a Common Cause (informal fallacy)
Claiming one event must have caused the other when a third (unlooked for) event is probably the cause.

“Our kids were vaccinated against whooping cough, and now vaccinated kids are getting the disease."

It also leaves out that media influence and it highly hinges on confirmation bias.

It leaves an "illusion of truth" where people are more likely to believe something, the more often it is repeated to them. Illusion of Truth Effect: Repetition Makes Lies Sound True - PsyBlog
(Cognitive neuroscientist explains the 'illusory truth effect' — and how you can defend yourself from election disinformation)

 

[SkepticThinker]

Yes, for Covid.


Role of ivermectin in the prevention of SARS-CoV-2 infection among healthcare workers in India: A matched case-control study - PubMed

Covid, ivermectin works and now WHO officials face the death penalty in India


flccc.net/summary-of-the-evidence-base-final/

No data available to suggest a link between India’s reduction of COVID-19 cases and the use of ivermectin