Now that the FDA has approved the vaccine has it changed your mind?

[Friend of Mara]

No difference between vaccine and having contract covid. Did you know that? And that you can get Covid after the vaccine?

Are you working under the assumption that getting the vaccine after having had covid doesn't improve your immune system further?

 

[Kooky]

No difference between vaccine and having contract covid. Did you know that? And that you can get Covid after the vaccine?

There are several COVID variants out there and the vaccines protect against more than your current immune system does.

But of course, any argument is irrelevant.

 

[Kenny]

Are you working under the assumption that getting the vaccine after having had covid doesn't improve your immune system further?

Do you understand that when you get vaccinated or contract Covid, you body naturally eliminates the antibodies and created Memory B-cells and T-Cells and creates 100 time mores antibodies than the first time and the reason that it does that is so that your blood won't have too many anti-bodies roaming around?

 

[Friend of Mara]

Do you understand that when you get vaccinated or contract Covid, you body naturally eliminates the antibodies and created Memory B-cells and T-Cells and creates 100 time mores antibodies than the first time and the reason that it does that is so that your blood won't have too many anti-bodies roaming around?

So all of the information we have about the covid vaccine with regard to people who have already caught it is wrong? As I'm not an immunologist it would take me a good bit to read up on the exact reasons given and re-explain it here I'm tempted to not do that. However I do know that it is reported by every source I've found that it is still recommended that people who have already contracted the virus should still get the vaccine.

Are you preparing to say that they are wrong with a well thought out and scientific reasoning and sources? If so I'll spend the time to get educated on the point and come back. If not then I'd like to know why you think that the current recommendation is wrong.

 

[ecco]

My personal guess is that we will continue to see "0" in the middle section because the people who were waiting on an FDA approval despite the already universal approval of the medical community were merely using that as a crutch or justification for their position. For them it was never really about the FDA approval.

You are dead-on correct.

 

[ecco]

I'm not getting it, because I don't need it.

Many people said that. Their last words from their hospital beds were "Please give me the vaccine to make me better".

 

[ecco]

Do you understand that when you get vaccinated or contract Covid, you body naturally eliminates the antibodies and created Memory B-cells and T-Cells and creates 100 time mores antibodies than the first time and the reason that it does that is so that your blood won't have too many anti-bodies roaming around?

Do you have a source for this?

 

[ecco]

Read and post both sides of the fence.

On one side of the fence, there is scientific information that saves lives.
On the other side of the fence, there is misinformation that gets people sick and continues to let the pandemic rage on.

Why would I want to post "both sides of the fence"?

 

[Kenny]

So all of the information we have about the covid vaccine with regard to people who have already caught it is wrong? As I'm not an immunologist it would take me a good bit to read up on the exact reasons given and re-explain it here I'm tempted to not do that. However I do know that it is reported by every source I've found that it is still recommended that people who have already contracted the virus should still get the vaccine.

Are you preparing to say that they are wrong with a well thought out and scientific reasoning and sources? If so I'll spend the time to get educated on the point and come back. If not then I'd like to know why you think that the current recommendation is wrong.

I'm not sure where you are coming from.

Israel, the largest % vaccination country

"Coronavirus patients who recovered from the virus were far less likely to become infected during the latest wave of the pandemic than people who were vaccinated against COVID, according to numbers presented to the Israeli Health Ministry....

...
Israelis who were vaccinated were 6.72 times more likely to get infected after the shot than after natural infection, with over 3,000 of the 5,193,499, or 0.0578%, of Israelis who were vaccinated getting infected in the latest wave.;

Natural infection vs vaccination: Which gives more protection?

Seems like natural immunity is better.

 

[We Never Know]

On one side of the fence, there is scientific information that saves lives.
On the other side of the fence, there is misinformation that gets people sick and continues to let the pandemic rage on.

Why would I want to post "both sides of the fence"?

Because I post studies that are about both sides of the fence.
Not social media conspiracy garbage that is about both sides of the fence.

 

[Kenny]

Do you have a source for this?

Memory B-Cell | Ask A Biologist

 

[Friend of Mara]

I'm not sure where you are coming from.

Israel, the largest % vaccination country

"Coronavirus patients who recovered from the virus were far less likely to become infected during the latest wave of the pandemic than people who were vaccinated against COVID, according to numbers presented to the Israeli Health Ministry....

...
Israelis who were vaccinated were 6.72 times more likely to get infected after the shot than after natural infection, with over 3,000 of the 5,193,499, or 0.0578%, of Israelis who were vaccinated getting infected in the latest wave.;

Natural infection vs vaccination: Which gives more protection?

Seems like natural immunity is better.

Even if this is true the studies show you are half as likely to contract it a second time if you are vaccinated. So it only seeks to improve the position of those with any immunity at all.

Coronavirus Disease 2019

 

[Kenny]

Even if this is true the studies show you are half as likely to contract it a second time if you are vaccinated. So it only seeks to improve the position of those with any immunity at all.

Coronavirus Disease 2019

But, as the statistics said, you are 6 times more likely to get Covid than if you already have had it.

 

[Friend of Mara]

Memory B-Cell | Ask A Biologist

This is a pro-vaccination source.

Perhaps this will also help me get a clearer view of your position. Do you think people who haven't gotten sick should get vaccinated? Do you think that people getting sick and beating the virus simply have no need or benefit from the vaccination? So whom should get the vaccine in your eyes?

 

[Friend of Mara]

But, as the statistics said, you are 6 times more likely to get Covid than if you already have had it.

And you are 12x more likely to get catch covid if you've had the vaccine and never infected than if you were infected and then later got the vaccine. All roads seem to lead to Rome.

 

[Kenny]

This is a pro-vaccination source.

Perhaps this will also help me get a clearer view of your position. Do you think people who haven't gotten sick should get vaccinated? Do you think that people getting sick and beating the virus simply have no need or benefit from the vaccination? So whom should get the vaccine in your eyes?

I have no problem with people getting vaccinated. I have had my tuberculosis, polio, et al vaccines and also did it for my children.

Because of the difference and totally new approach of this particular vaccine and the unknown longterm effects, at this time I believe that it should still be at the discretion of the receiver.

I sincerely thank you for just asking.
Blessings!

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

No. I believe all meds, vax, etc should be out for ten years about (so normal time frame) for some to be comfortable with possible long term affects.

How would that work, exactly? The vaccine comes out, and then no one takes it for 10 years?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

And you are 12x more likely to get catch covid if you've had the vaccine and never infected than if you were infected and then later got the vaccine. All roads seem to lead to Rome.

Citation?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

How would that work, exactly? The vaccine comes out, and then no one takes it for 10 years?

No. People take it when they want to. Some don't mind taking it early. A lot of people volunteered for COVID Vaccine clinical trails before it came out while others like myself never will participate in a clinical trial-COVID vaccine no different.

It just depends on the person. I just think it's justified people want to wait it out. Whether they are taking this choice for granted we really don't know. They may have good reason they may not. But no. I don't keep up with FDA drug approvals for meds etc.

 

[Kooky]

Interesting question. Like I said, trusting or not trusting the FDA approval is not why I haven't gotten the shot yet.

I have personal experience with the FDA's Emergency Use Authorization for KN95 and N95 respirator masks during the pandemic, as an owner in a dental supply business. It's this experience that convinced me the FDA, like just about everything else the government has their hands in, is subject to corruption and/or negligence.

Its a long story, but I'll give you the reader's digest version. The difference between an "FDA Authorized" respirator mask and a "Non-Authorized" mask meant almost nothing to those of us that understood what the product is and what it does. I know higher quality products that were not authorized, and inferior products that were. One day, without any notice, the FDA produced a list of authorized KN95 mask manufacturers. Problem is, only a selected group of mask manufacturers were on this list. I had mask manufacturers who have sold FDA authorized masks in the U.S. for 10 years inform me that they have no idea how the FDA came up with this authorized list, how to get on the list, or how to get their products tested and approved for this new list. Also, there was no way to call someone at the FDA (during this time) to find out. It was a total mess for months.

Ironically, only a small group of mask manufacturers were authorized at first. Of course, it was the same companies who had no inventory to sell to dentists, because they were selling 100% of it to the government. THEN...the government started giving boatloads of cash to manufactures (like Honeywell) to start producing masks. All the while existing respirator masks, ready to be sold, aren't being authorized and the companies have no way to get authorized, or even talk to anyone about it. It was clear, to all of us in the industry, that there was some shady stuff going on here.

All the companies that did not have government contracts were left out of the discussion until it was clear that these manufactures could not able to keep up with demand. Suddenly, after months of not being authorized, companies magically became authorized again. How? With some sort of new mask effectiveness test proving its FDA authorization is warranted? NOPE. One day they only had authorized 13 companies, the next day they had authorized 48 respirator mask manufacturers. With at least two of the manufactures I personally work with, there was no contact with the company, no masks were sent in for testing, no test results shared, and they still were authorized for EUA. This EAU, by the way, was recently removed now that mask inventory is no longer an issue.

I don't know who the FDA directly reports to, or who specifically oversees that agency. What I can conclude from my own experience, there is most likely government contracts going to private companies (like the military industrial complex) that might play a role in decisions being made. Or its just incompetence. Either way, I'm reluctant to trust the FDA 100% because of it.

Do you allow this mistrust to guide your choices in other areas as well, or only when it comes to COVID?