Now that the FDA has approved the vaccine has it changed your mind?

[Moonjuice]

Your reasoning for why you got only a mild case of covid is only partially correct.

I agree that a good immune system is important. I never take the flu shots and I have never gotten flu.

However, the amount of covid particles that get into your system play a far more important role in the severity of the illness.

If you "inhale" a small number of particles, your immune system will probably kick in and prevent serious illness.

If you "inhale" a large number of particles, your immune system will be overwhelmed before it can produce enough antibodies.

That is the reason for getting a shot. It teaches your body about the virus and your body can react much more quickly.

In the early stages of the pandemic, many people in nursing homes died from covid. Being elderly, their immune systems were probably not as good as when they were younger. But, people living in nursing homes are in constant contact with one another and live in comparatively confined areas. They infected and reinfected each other.

Being at a football game on a windy day is a lot safer than being in a poorly ventilated office building or bar or restaurant or church.

What you are saying might be true for some people, but its certainly not true for me. My schoolteacher wife caught Covid. I inhaled her Covid breath all night long, every night, for as long as she was infected. In fact, I most certainly directly came in contact with her saliva. I can't think of any way to get more Covid particles into my body.

 

[Aštra’el]

We may not know the long-term side effects from the vaccines, but we do know the short-term side effects from the virus:

• Hospitalization
• Death
• Providing a host for the virus to mutate
• Taking up hospital beds that are needed for patients with non-covid related illnesses - heart attack, diabetes, accidents, etc.
• Prolonging and escalating the pandemic in this country when it could be all but over.

We also know the mid-term side effects from the virus:

COVID-19 (coronavirus): Long-term effects

but even young, otherwise healthy people can feel unwell for weeks to months after infection. Common signs and symptoms that linger over time include:​

• Fatigue
• Shortness of breath or difficulty breathing
• Cough
• Joint pain
• Chest pain
• Memory, concentration or sleep problems
• Muscle pain or headache
• Fast or pounding heartbeat
• Loss of smell or taste
• Depression or anxiety
• Fever
• Dizziness when you stand
• Worsened symptoms after physical or mental activities

Maybe no judgment on your part. A lot of deserved judgment on my part.

None of that compares to a long and painful death from cancer, and cancer runs in one side of my family. So hopefully it wasn’t a stupid idea taking the vaccine.

 

[ElishaElijah]

I would say zero got vaccinated because of Government extortion. Those people who belive the Government is extorting them, are the ones who don't get vaccinated.

I guess you consider it Government Extortion when the news shows interview doctors who work in hospitals where there are not enough beds and not enough doctors and nurses to care for the overflow of unvaccinated covid patients.

I guess you consider it Government Extortion when the news shows interview a doctor who watched a non-covid patient die because he couldn't get admitted because all the intensive care beds were full of unvaccinated covid patients.

I guess you consider it Government Extortion when the charts of new covid hospitalizations are on the increase and in some states, higher than ever before.


Perhaps you are one of those people who believe teaching young people evolution is Government Extortion. Perhaps that is what makes you so disdainful of Government Extortion and science.

I believe it’s government extortion when you are threatened and singled out if you don’t get vaccinated, need vaccination card to board a plane or work, have to wear a monitor and things like this. It’s disgusting that you support this.
So you’re absolutely wrong about that because I know a lot of people who got the vaccine just because their job said they had to or wanted to travel.

 

[ElishaElijah]

What you are saying might be true for some people, but its certainly not true for me. My schoolteacher wife caught Covid. I inhaled her Covid breath all night long, every night, for as long as she was infected. In fact, I most certainly directly came in contact with her saliva. I can't think of any way to get more Covid particles into my body.

You’re right!

 

[ecco]

What you are saying might be true for some people, but its certainly not true for me. My schoolteacher wife caught Covid. I inhaled her Covid breath all night long, every night, for as long as she was infected. In fact, I most certainly directly came in contact with her saliva. I can't think of any way to get more Covid particles into my body.

You don't seem to understand that it relates to quantity, not necessarily to length of exposure.

Was your wife's case serious? If she had only a mild infection (just a comparatively few particles) you would not have gotten many from her.

 

[ecco]

None of that compares to a long and painful death from cancer, and cancer runs in one side of my family. So hopefully it wasn’t a stupid idea taking the vaccine.

Your response is confusing.
Are you saying it wasn't stupid to take the vaccine or are you saying that taking the vaccine could cause cancer?

 

[ecco]

I believe it’s government extortion when you are threatened and singled out if you don’t get vaccinated, need vaccination card to board a plane or work, have to wear a monitor and things like this. It’s disgusting that you support this.

If a restaurant owner or the board of directors of an airline or a cruise ship want to protect their employees and their customers by insisting on vaccines to enter or board, how is that "Government Extortion"?

In Florida, the cruise ships wanted to have proof of vaccination for anyone to board. The Government, in the person of Republican Governor DeSantis, made it illegal. He decreed that cruise ships could not require vaccines. If cruise ships did not comply with his decree, they could not operate out of Florida. THAT is GOVERNMENT extortion.

So you’re absolutely wrong about that because I know a lot of people who got the vaccine just because their job said they had to or wanted to travel.

Again, businesses are not the Government. Why is that so difficult to understand.

So far you have been unable to show any Government Extortion.

However, if it were up to me, people not vaccinated would be quarantined to their residences until the pandemic is under control. If everyone had gotten vaccinated by the end of July, the case rates would be decreasing instead of increasing.

State Governments are also stepping in in many places and passing edicts that schools are not allowed to mandate mask wearing for teachers and kids.

Google "Florida schools closings covid" or "Texas schools closings covid"

 

[Revoltingest]

What you are saying might be true for some people, but its certainly not true for me. My schoolteacher wife caught Covid. I inhaled her Covid breath all night long, every night, for as long as she was infected. In fact, I most certainly directly came in contact with her saliva. I can't think of any way to get more Covid particles into my body.

You have the right genes.
One of those asymptomatic people.
I don't know if I am or not. I hope to never find out.

 

[Aštra’el]

Your response is confusing.
Are you saying it wasn't stupid to take the vaccine or are you saying that taking the vaccine could cause cancer?

I never said the vaccine causes cancer. I said I hope taking it was not a stupid idea because I do not know the long term side effects, and hopefully, one of them is not a heightened risk of cancer.

 

[ElishaElijah]

So far you have been unable to show any Government Extortion.

The Biden administration is considering using federal regulatory powers and the threat of withholding federal funds from institutions to push more Americans to get vaccinated,” the Post reported, and also said that such effort could apply to the 90 million-plus eligible Americans who remain unvaccinated at various institutions, including “long-term-care facilities, cruise ships and universities.”
You’re devoid of reality

 

[ElishaElijah]

However, if it were up to me, people not vaccinated would be quarantined to their residences until the pandemic is under control

That’s a ridiculous idea to quarantine healthy people, I don’t think there is a more ridiculous comment than yours.
You know my sons live together and Covid went through their house and all of them got it, even my one son who was vaccinated, go figure.

 

[Moonjuice]

You don't seem to understand that it relates to quantity, not necessarily to length of exposure.

Was your wife's case serious? If she had only a mild infection (just a comparatively few particles) you would not have gotten many from her.

Her case was also mild. Okay, I see what you are saying. Length of exposure is not as important as quantity of Covid particles that enter your system. Got it. Mild exposure vs. heavy exposure.

In your opinion, if you have a mild experience it's not because you are healthy and have a strong immunity system, it is most likely due to having a mild exposure? If that was the case, then the reverse would also have to be true. Only those who had heavy exposure should be dying or being hospitalized - but that's not what the data says. All the data I have seen says Covid is much more deadly for unhealthy people or those with weak immune systems - there has been no mention of mild or heavy exposure.

If you do not eat right, don't exercise, are severely overweight with diabetes and high blood pressure, etc. popping handfuls of prescriptions to keep your body functioning the way healthy bodies do, then you catch Covid and die.... I think its misleading to call Covid the cause of that death. You were already shortening your life by treating your body so poorly, Covid simply sped up the process while you jabbed your fat fingers into another bucket of KFC, puffing on a Marlboro and sipping on Mountain Dew in your potato chip-crumb-covered recliner. Wondering what pill or shot you could take to feel better.

Whatever the case, what is most important is understanding that you do not need anyone's compliance to protect yourself 100%. If you think it is necessary, you can protect yourself completely from catching mild or heavy Covid, even if no one else gets vaccinated. It's each individuals responsibility to protect yourself, its not anyone else's responsibility to do it for you.

 

[Moonjuice]

You have the right genes.
One of those asymptomatic people.
I don't know if I am or not. I hope to never find out.

Hey, why take the gamble? Best to stay as safe as you can.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

It did take a while (Jan 2021). Then people were able to get vaccinated and mask and social distancing mandates were in effect (mid-june 2021). Then, with many people still unvaccinated Republican Florida Governor DeSantis revoked all mask and social distancing mandates. Now in August 2021 rates are higher than ever.

https://www.google.com/search?q=flo...457j0i390l2.4623j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8






Ohh. A really good reliable source - a blogger from his kitchen.

That is exactly your problem and the problem of millions of other people. You put more stock into what a blogger says than in what scientists know. That is a huge reflection on you and on a sizable portion of Americans. Disgustingly sad.

Ecco. You're assuming again. Assumptions aren't facts.

Long time meaning years.

Take the video as a grain of salt.
(Meaning it's not a valid "primary" source for facts. It's opinionated if you could tell by listening to it)

 

[Wandering Monk]

I never said the vaccine causes cancer. I said I hope taking it was not a stupid idea because I do not know the long term side effects, and hopefully, one of them is not a heightened risk of cancer.

Since the Covid spike protein produced by your body after vaccination is just a component of the virus, how would it be any more dangerous than getting the actual virus with the same spike protein?

 

[Friend of Mara]

Can you give me two or three points?

I mean when you say a statement of opinion or fact it helps to have some support if asked.

You want me to list some well known falsehoods that people still believe? Sure.
Climate change isn't real.
Climate change isn't caused by humans.
Trans people are mentally ill.
Gay people are an abomination against god.
Single payer healthcare worse than the current American system.
Chemtrails.
Bigfoot.
ect.

 

[ElishaElijah]

You want me to list some well known falsehoods that people still believe? Sure.
Climate change isn't real.
Climate change isn't caused by humans.
Trans people are mentally ill.
Gay people are an abomination against god.
Single payer healthcare worse than the current American system.
Chemtrails.
Bigfoot.
ect.

I must be the brainwashed on the right.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

You want me to list some well known falsehoods that people still believe? Sure.
Climate change isn't real.
Climate change isn't caused by humans.
Trans people are mentally ill.
Gay people are an abomination against god.
Single payer healthcare worse than the current American system.
Chemtrails.
Bigfoot.
ect.

Here's what I asked to prove me wrong about.

"I don't see that as a huge issue. It's the government using every means to find evidence of fault and justify action of blame. I bet half unvaxxed know the difference between conspiracy theories and facts....not just with COVID vaccines but anything health related."

Can you give me some points how this isn't true?

At least in the States if you're here?

The list you gave doesn't relate to what I asked.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

If a restaurant owner or the board of directors of an airline or a cruise ship want to protect their employees and their customers by insisting on vaccines to enter or board, how is that "Government Extortion"?

In Florida, the cruise ships wanted to have proof of vaccination for anyone to board. The Government, in the person of Republican Governor DeSantis, made it illegal. He decreed that cruise ships could not require vaccines. If cruise ships did not comply with his decree, they could not operate out of Florida. THAT is GOVERNMENT extortion.




Again, businesses are not the Government. Why is that so difficult to understand.

So far you have been unable to show any Government Extortion.

However, if it were up to me, people not vaccinated would be quarantined to their residences until the pandemic is under control. If everyone had gotten vaccinated by the end of July, the case rates would be decreasing instead of increasing.

State Governments are also stepping in in many places and passing edicts that schools are not allowed to mandate mask wearing for teachers and kids.

Google "Florida schools closings covid" or "Texas schools closings covid"

The unvaccinated they say is near 50% of the population,majority of us are healthy, and viruses spread in tight environments IF an infected person (exempt and not) got COVID.

Experts put the sick in quarantine and those who travel are in quat. for about a week then they can leave.

Once half the population is closed in doors and the other reaches herd immunity as soon as you let us free, those who caught the virus would spread it to the vaxed. Then as breakthroughs rise they'd have to quint the sick and that's vaccinated too.

CDC now asks vaccinated people to wear masks and offering booster shots.

So you guys are not safe from us. It would be counterproductive. When we had the lock down for all people the virus still existed.

The lamba (so spelled) and delta variant are wondering free. Believe me, herd immunity won't be anytime soon.

And unless you lock up the exempt this has to do with politics not protecting the vaccinated from infection.

 

[Friend of Mara]

Here's what I asked to prove me wrong about.

"I don't see that as a huge issue. It's the government using every means to find evidence of fault and justify action of blame. I bet half unvaxxed know the difference between conspiracy theories and facts....not just with COVID vaccines but anything health related."

Can you give me some points how this isn't true?

At least in the States if you're here?

The list you gave doesn't relate to what I asked.

Then the whole of unsubstantiated holistic medicine.