Now that the FDA has approved the vaccine has it changed your mind?

[ecco]

The Biden administration is considering using federal regulatory powers and the threat of withholding federal funds from institutions to push more Americans to get vaccinated,” the Post reported, and also said that such effort could apply to the 90 million-plus eligible Americans who remain unvaccinated at various institutions, including “long-term-care facilities, cruise ships and universities.”
You’re devoid of reality

You have been complaining about Government Extortion. When I asked for examples, the best you can come up with is "is considering". The term "is considering" implies that something may happen in the future - not something that has occurred.

Perhaps you are devoid of reading comprehension skills or perhaps you just like to make wild assertions you cannot support.

In any case, so far you have been unable to show any Government Extortion.



Nevertheless, I am all in favor of mandated vaccines at this time. I find it hard to believe that millions of Americans stupidly refuse to get vaccinated. Hospitals in Florida and Texas are overflowing with people in ICU beds as the number of cases exceeds what we had in January before there were vaccines.

If people are too stupid to get vaccinated, then the Government has an obligation to step in.

 

[ecco]

That’s a ridiculous idea to quarantine healthy people, I don’t think there is a more ridiculous comment than yours.

It isn't ridiculous at all. The pandemic is raging once again. The people who are unvaccinated are the people spreading the disease and giving it places to mutate. If they are quarantined, they cannot get infected and they can infect no one else.

 

[ecco]

In your opinion, if you have a mild experience it's not because you are healthy and have a strong immunity system, it is most likely due to having a mild exposure? I

Did I say that? No, I did not.

You don't seem to understand that it relates to quantity, not necessarily to length of exposure.

I was comparing two aspects. I was not ruling out the contribution of the immune system. However, you need to understand that the vaccines help the immune system prepare for an infection.

If you do not eat right, don't exercise, are severely overweight with diabetes and high blood pressure, etc. popping handfuls of prescriptions to keep your body functioning the way healthy bodies do, then you catch Covid and die.... I think its misleading to call Covid the cause of that death.

The problem with your reasoning is that it is not supported by science. Google 'is immune system hereditary'

A new study has found genetics are the key to a strong immune response to viruses, not the environment around us as previously believed. The genes passed to us by our parents play a bigger role in the body's disease-fighting ability than scientists previously thought.Jan 4, 2019

Your immune system starts to develop before you are born and the majority of it is built during childhood, the majority being developed from conception to 5 years of age. The majority of your immune systems is located in your gut. The microbes in your gut (your 'gut microbiota') educate your immune cells early on.

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Whatever the case, what is most important is understanding that you do not need anyone's compliance to protect yourself 100%. If you think it is necessary, you can protect yourself completely from catching mild or heavy Covid, even if no one else gets vaccinated. It's each individuals responsibility to protect yourself, its not anyone else's responsibility to do it for you.

I completely disagree with the last sentence. It's no different from laws against drunken driving or speeding.

It is not like seatbelt laws. If you don't wear a seatbelt and smash your head into the steering wheel, I really don't care. If you drive drunk and endanger other people, I do care, and so should all rational civilized people.

 

[ecco]

Ecco. You're assuming again. Assumptions aren't facts.

You assert that I made an assumption, but you didn't indicate what you thought I was assuming.

Long time meaning years.

What in the world are you referring to?

Take the video as a grain of salt.

I take videos like that to be big heaping stinking piles of **** - no salt needed.

Why did you post it?

 

[ecco]

CDC now asks vaccinated people to wear masks and offering booster shots.

Masks to help reduce further spreading from people who are infected. Booster shots because the vaccines lose effectiveness over time and because the virus has mutated.

So you guys are not safe from us. It would be counterproductive. When we had the lock down for all people the virus still existed.

I know you do not want to accept facts, but the number of cases went down when we enforced social distancing, mask wearing, and shutting down "gathering places".

The number of cases are now very high again, in some states higher than ever, because caution was abandoned.

The lamba (so spelled) and delta variant are wondering free. Believe me, herd immunity won't be anytime soon.

In large part because of stupid people who disdain science.

And unless you lock up the exempt this has to do with politics not protecting the vaccinated from infection.

The best hope now is for businesses to insist on vaccines for employees and customers. Businesses will do this because an ongoing pandemic affects their bottom line. Greed may work where common sense does not.

 

[ecco]

View attachment 54282I must be the brainwashed on the right.

Yes, you are. Brainwashed against the value of science. That same evil science that supports "evilution". Oh, my. We can't have that, can we? If we can be convinced to accept vaccines created by science, they may force us to accept evilution.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

You have to refer back to past posts rather than treat each isolated. It doesn't make sense on its own.

You assert that I made an assumption, but you didn't indicate what you thought I was assuming.

Edit
"That is exactly your problem and the problem of millions of other people. You put more stock into what a blogger says than in what scientists know. That is a huge reflection on you and on a sizable portion of Americans. Disgustingly sad."

You're assuming again. Here's what I said: Meaning it's not a valid "primary" source for facts. It's opinionated if you could tell by listening to it

What in the world are you referring to?

Something you said awhile back but it looks like a misquote

I take videos like that to be big heaping stinking piles of **** - no salt needed.

Why did you post it?

I didn't say they were authoritative.

You don't listen to things out of curiosity without needing to take in everything heard?

I mean most of us do and move on, but.

 

[ElishaElijah]

You have been complaining about Government Extortion. When I asked for examples, the best you can come up with is "is considering". The term "is considering" implies that something may happen in the future - not something that has occurred.

Perhaps you are devoid of reading comprehension skills or perhaps you just like to make wild assertions you cannot support.

In any case, so far you have been unable to show any Government Extortion.



Nevertheless, I am all in favor of mandated vaccines at this time. I find it hard to believe that millions of Americans stupidly refuse to get vaccinated. Hospitals in Florida and Texas are overflowing with people in ICU beds as the number of cases exceeds what we had in January before there were vaccines.

If people are too stupid to get vaccinated, then the Government has an obligation to step in.

Threats are extortion

 

[ElishaElijah]

Yes, you are. Brainwashed against the value of science. That same evil science that supports "evilution". Oh, my. We can't have that, can we? If we can be convinced to accept vaccines created by science, they may force us to accept evilution.

God does it better, science has been trying to copy what God does and it’s always inferior.

 

[Revoltingest]

Let's keep things less personal, people.
Accusations of dishonesty, stupidity, brainwashing, etc
towards fellow posters violates the rules, & invites
risk of locking the thread.

Edit:
I'm OK with calling public figures who don't post
here "stupid". This is within the rules.

 

[ElishaElijah]

It isn't ridiculous at all. The pandemic is raging once again. The people who are unvaccinated are the people spreading the disease and giving it places to mutate. If they are quarantined, they cannot get infected and they can infect no one else.

Vaccinated people are spreading the virus as well, you’re never going to eradicate the flu or common cold. We will be living with it so better to get healthy, stop eating all the processed food, stop the 69 vaccine regiment that kids get by the time they are 18, stop the drug and medication dependency, these are making people weak and sickly.(IMO)

 

[Revoltingest]

Vaccinated people are spreading the virus as well, you’re never going to eradicate the flu or common cold. We will be living with it so better to get healthy, stop eating all the processed food, stop the 69 vaccine regiment that kids get by the time they are 18, stop the drug and medication dependency, these are making people weak and sickly.

Without offering evidence of these claims, it would
be wise to preface them with "in my opinion".
This will avoid moderation over the new rule.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Yes, you are. Brainwashed against the value of science.

Science has its place, it’s been exalted to a level where people take science as almost infallible and when science changes and is wrong, the excuses and blaming come. I don’t know of a laboratory experiment that plays out in real life scenario as far as Covid and masks. Masks do help with droplets for sure (BUT DO NOT KEEP OUT VIRUSES), problem is when people are walking and breathing, using the same air in a store for example, touching your mask and other things, there’s no way to stop or reduce the contamination. That’s why masks do not help, not only that, masks do hinder breathing and trap bacteria which you will breathe in all day long. (IMO)

 

[Friend of Mara]

Why are you calling it a conspiracy when there are good reasons not to get vaccinated with a treatment that isn’t really a vaccine? The VAERS system is run and monitored by the CDC, under reported adverse effects, meaning there are a lot more that aren’t being reported and people are making it seem like the many reported issues are nothing. Many good doctors have sounded the alarm about these so-called vaccines, who understand immunology and medications, who have stellar careers and are now being blackballed and called quacks for speaking out and warning about them. Anyone who has had Covid is naturally immune and has a broad spectrum immunity against Covid, as in my case. Covid will run it’s course, but you will never get rid of the flu or common cold, once you start injecting yourself and become dependent on these you will have continue the rest of your life, I don’t like that idea of being a slave to that and would rather have a healthy immune system. Seems like with the whole environmental push that people would feel the same about their bodies but apparently not.

Good news! This doesn't fall under conspiracy but rather lack of knowledge! Or specifically in your case you seem to have some information but only the bad information without the whole picture.
It is ILLEGAL for a medical professional or institution to not report all adverse affects observed and reported. Even after compiling all of these the negative effects are extremely low. Extremely extremely low for the vast majority of vaccines and as for covid far less than the adverse effects of actually getting covid.

The goal of the vaccine is to stamp out covid so it doesn't become a regular rotating flu that we have to worry about every year. With the death rate simply "letting it run its course" will mean killing millions upon millions of people for no reason. Why go to the doctor ever in that case? What is the point of medical science if we aren't trying our best to save lives?

I also do not know what you mean when you say injecting yourself makes you a slave? The vaccine itself doesn't cause anti-bodies. It is still your body making the anti-bodies. The vaccine is like a little test run for your own body to fight the virus in a more controlled environment. Imagine there was a really really really mild version of covid that didn't kill anyone and its effect on their health paled in comparison. Giving everyone that version so they are immune to the more deadly covid strains would be ideal yes?

 

[ecco]

God does it better, science has been trying to copy what God does and it’s always inferior.

Probably most of the 25,000,000,Europeans who died of the black death believed in God.
Probably most of the 675,000 Americans who died of the Spanish flu in 1918, 1919 believed in God.
Probably most of the 654,000 dead Americans believed in God.

It seems what your god is really good at is creating viruses that kill people.


If people don't take the vaccine because they believe god will protect them, you can't blame science for their ignorance.

 

[Friend of Mara]

A..Can you tell me how not taking the vax because of side effects and adverse reactions are bad reasons to not take the vaccine?

Because the side effects of covid are objectively worse.

B. Can you explain how the exempt doesn't put people in danger of getting COVID.

They do. But the actually medically exempt are such a small percentage of the population it won't meaningfully effect the transition rate assuming everyone else was vaccinated. The 40-50% of the population that currently CHOOSES to remain unvaccinated for no medical reason does however affect the transmission rate in a meaningful way. The goal was originally 80% but ideally higher than that would be better.

 

[Friend of Mara]

Go for it, I will answer
First, do you believe MAGA was a Trump thing and that the majority of people who supported him blindly followed him?
I don’t, MAGA is what ALL our politicians should be about. Any leader of a nation should be about making their Country great, strong and good. That’s why Trump is popular and Democrats are not. All Democrats have are manipulation with bad policy and experts at manipulating language, people and cheating the system. Experts in propaganda.
When I say Democrats, I mean politicians.

What is strong? What is good? I don't ask that to be pedantic but really I just want to know what kind of goals you seem to think are best for a nation-state.

Is our failing healthcare system or education system part of what we should fix to make America great? Shouldn't the maximum number of people have both equality and freedom? Do you think that there are some people within this country that don't get a fare shake? Do you think there are problems with our country that can be fixed?

 

[ecco]

Vaccinated people are spreading the virus as well,

At far, far lower rates than unvaccinated people. Do you not know that or do you wish to ignore it to further your agenda?

We will be living with it so better to get healthy, stop eating all the processed food, stop the 69 vaccine regiment that kids get by the time they are 18,

Part of the "69 vaccine regiment" stopped polio.

Before a polio vaccine was developed, polio epidemics were common in the United States. For example, in the immediate pre-vaccine era (i.e., early 1950s), between 13,000 and 20,000 paralytic cases were reported each year.
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Part of the "69 vaccine regiment" stopped measles.

In the decade before 1963 when a vaccine became available, nearly all children got measles by the time they were 15 years of age. It is estimated 3 to 4 million people in the United States were infected each year. Also each year, among reported cases, an estimated 400 to 500 people died, 48,000 were hospitalized, and 1,000 suffered encephalitis (swelling of the brain) from measles.

Measles was declared eliminated (absence of continuous disease transmission for greater than 12 months) from the United States in 2000. This was thanks to a highly effective vaccination program in the United States, as well as better measles control in the Americas region.
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Question: Why would a good pro-life Christian want vaccines eliminated?

stop the drug and medication dependency, these are making people weak and sickly.

See above.

 

[ecco]

Science has its place, it’s been exalted to a level where people take science as almost infallible and when science changes and is wrong, the excuses and blaming come.

I don’t know of a laboratory experiment that plays out in real life scenario as far as Covid and masks.

NONSENSE! The real life scenario is when mask wearing and social distancing mandates were in effect, the case rates dropped. Now, with the restrictions being lifted, rates are again increasing. Don't take my word for it. Look at the charts for Florida and Texas as examples.

Masks do help with droplets for sure, problem is when people are walking and breathing, using the same air in a store for example, touching your mask and other things, there’s no way to stop or reduce the contamination.

When an infected person, who does not yet know he is infected, walks around in a store he exhales virus particles into the air. If he is wearing a mask - properly, he is exhaling far fewer particles into the air. They get trapped in the mask.
The smaller the area and the worse the air circulation, the worse the problem. Your "conclusion" is laughably wrong.

masks ... trap bacteria which you will breathe in all day long

Do you really understand what you wrote?

First off, covid is not a bacteria - it is a virus.

Second, if your mask trapped one thousand incoming virus particles that is one thousand fewer virus particles that got into your lungs.

 

[ecco]

I don’t, MAGA is what ALL our politicians should be about. Any leader of a nation should be about making their Country great, strong and good.

But that isn't what MAGA stands for.
Make
America
Great
Again

Again?
That implies things in the past were "Great" Back in the good old days.

The good old days when slavery flourished?
The good old days when blacks were prohibited from voting?
The good old days when everyone prayed to Jesus in school?
The good old days where Jews and Catholics were prohibited from joining the rich people's country clubs?
The good old days when women were not allowed to get an abortion?

Specifically, which good old days are you referring to?