Now that the FDA has approved the vaccine has it changed your mind?

[We Never Know]

Maybe you read more into it than what I said? The context was by the poster who is pushing vaccines even IF you have already been naturally vaccinated.

What is naturally vaccinated? Explain that for me please.

 

[Revoltingest]

Mainly what I have seen is it shouldn't be forced/should be a choice. I guess if a personal wanted to twist that they could call that deliberately avoiding by choice.

Or....
One could twist continual mistaken criticism of vaccines
to be objective desire to provide useful information.
We return to that beautiful word, "prevarication"
that reminds me so much of OAN.

 

[Kenny]

"Naturally vaccinated" is oxymoronic.
And the phrase does suggest eschewing actual vaccination.

BTW, if I'd had Covid, I'd still get the shots.
Low risk hedging of bets.

And I would support your decision. Some people get the flu vaccination every year... I prefer not to.

But I don't fine naturally vaccinated as oxymoronic.

Human induced vaccination (human injection):
"How does vaccination work?
The measles vaccine contains a weakened version of the measles virus. After vaccination, the immune system makes the antibodies and memory cells needed to provide long-term protection against measles infection."

Naturally induced vaccination (Nature injection):

"Measles may seem like ‘no big deal’ aside from causing a bit of pain..." - You get vaccinated naturally... Rather than human insertion of a weakened version you get that full version of the virus

What is naturally vaccinated? Explain that for me please.

 

[We Never Know]

Or....
One could twist continual mistaken criticism of vaccines
to be objective desire to provide useful information.
We return to that beautiful word, "prevarication"
that reminds me so much of OAN.

One shouldn't twist any of it. Read and post both sides of the fence.

 

[We Never Know]

And I would support your decision. Some people get the flu vaccination every year... I prefer not to.

But I don't fine naturally vaccinated as oxymoronic.

Human induced vaccination (human injection):
"How does vaccination work?
The measles vaccine contains a weakened version of the measles virus. After vaccination, the immune system makes the antibodies and memory cells needed to provide long-term protection against measles infection."

Naturally induced vaccination (Nature injection):

"Measles may seem like ‘no big deal’ aside from causing a bit of pain..." - You get vaccinated naturally... Rather than human insertion of a weakened version you get that full version of the virus

I think you mean natural immunity.

 

[We Never Know]

And I would support your decision. Some people get the flu vaccination every year... I prefer not to.

But I don't fine naturally vaccinated as oxymoronic.

Human induced vaccination (human injection):
"How does vaccination work?
The measles vaccine contains a weakened version of the measles virus. After vaccination, the immune system makes the antibodies and memory cells needed to provide long-term protection against measles infection."

Naturally induced vaccination (Nature injection):

"Measles may seem like ‘no big deal’ aside from causing a bit of pain..." - You get vaccinated naturally... Rather than human insertion of a weakened version you get that full version of the virus

To answer more in depth, you are reffering to natural immuntiny.

Whereas vaccine-induced immunity which is also known as artificial immunity because someone becomes protected against a specific disease via the administration of a vaccine.

However one could argue because vaccines are made using parts of the viruses and/or bacteria that cause disease, the ingredient that is the active component of the vaccine induces immunity that is natural.

 

[Revoltingest]

One shouldn't twist any of it. Read and post both sides of the fence.

A big problem is that one side of the fence has been
ripe with dangerous misinformation & rationalization,
eg, micro-chips, nanobots, magnetization, mind control,
argument that vaccines lacking 100% efficacy are useless.

 

[We Never Know]

A big problem is that one side of the fence has been
ripe with dangerous misinformation & rationalization,
eg, micro-chips, nanobots, magnetization, mind control,
argument that vaccines lacking 100% efficacy are useless.

"micro-chips, nanobots, magnetization, mind control,"

You have never seen me post any of that. People that believe that i don't even refer to as antivaxxers, they are conspiracist.
I guess they could be referred to as antivaxxers based on conspiracy's.

 

[Revoltingest]

You have never seen me post any of that.

Never even implied that.
The anti-vax side is large & diverse.
They don't all have the same reasons.

 

[We Never Know]

Never even implied that.
The anti-vax side is large & diverse.
They don't all have the same reasons.

Antivaxxer became popular from parents who did not want to get their child vaccinated. Now that it also involves them(the parent) to be vaccinated as a mandate its only became worse

 

[Kenny]

I think you mean natural immunity.

They are terms that mean the same thing.

Human vaccination is an attempt to make antibodies to give human induced natural immunity. Natural vaccination makes antibodies that produce nature induced natural immunity.

 

[Revoltingest]

How about "immunity acquired by infection"?

 

[Kenny]

To answer more in depth, you are reffering to natural immuntiny.

Whereas vaccine-induced immunity which is also known as artificial immunity because someone becomes protected against a specific disease via the administration of a vaccine.

However one could argue because vaccines are made using parts of the viruses and/or bacteria that cause disease, the ingredient that is the active component of the vaccine induces immunity that is natural.

true... although we could say that vaccines causes the body to "naturally" respond.

 

[Kenny]

How about "immunity acquired by infection"?

That sounds good! It is just that the word "get vaccinated" has so proliferated to the point that natural immunity by infection is glossed by as "so?" - that I prefer to use the word "naturally vaccinated" so that the hearer can understand that "I HAVE THE ANTIBODIES"... ( Yes, I am shouting for those who just don't get it )

 

[Revoltingest]

That sounds good! It is just that the word "get vaccinated" has so proliferated to the point that natural immunity by infection is glossed by as "so?" - that I prefer to use the word "naturally vaccinated" so that the hearer can understand that "I HAVE THE ANTIBODIES"... ( Yes, I am shouting for those who just don't get it )

Goodness, you have a loud voice.

 

[We Never Know]

true... although we could say that vaccines causes the body to "naturally" respond.

See paragraph 3..

"the active component of the vaccine induces immunity that is natural."

 

[Kooky]

To answer more in depth, you are reffering to natural immuntiny.

Whereas vaccine-induced immunity which is also known as artificial immunity because someone becomes protected against a specific disease via the administration of a vaccine.

However one could argue because vaccines are made using parts of the viruses and/or bacteria that cause disease, the ingredient that is the active component of the vaccine induces immunity that is natural.

The distinction between vaccination and "natural" i.e. passive immunization simply lies in the method by which immunization is achieved; there is nothing intrinsically "artificial" about the immunity produced by vaccines, and it works exactly like the immunity gained from exposure to a sickness.

The one major difference is that it is very difficult to achieve immunity against a lethal disease without putting oneself in serious danger; the health risks of vaccination are comparably small.

 

[Moonjuice]

Do you believe the FDA receives direction from the federal government or the POTUS in its decisionmaking?

Or do you simply not have that kind of differentiated view on government institutions to begin with, and all public institutions are just part of a faceless monolithic bloc of "the government" to you?

Interesting question. Like I said, trusting or not trusting the FDA approval is not why I haven't gotten the shot yet.

I have personal experience with the FDA's Emergency Use Authorization for KN95 and N95 respirator masks during the pandemic, as an owner in a dental supply business. It's this experience that convinced me the FDA, like just about everything else the government has their hands in, is subject to corruption and/or negligence.

Its a long story, but I'll give you the reader's digest version. The difference between an "FDA Authorized" respirator mask and a "Non-Authorized" mask meant almost nothing to those of us that understood what the product is and what it does. I know higher quality products that were not authorized, and inferior products that were. One day, without any notice, the FDA produced a list of authorized KN95 mask manufacturers. Problem is, only a selected group of mask manufacturers were on this list. I had mask manufacturers who have sold FDA authorized masks in the U.S. for 10 years inform me that they have no idea how the FDA came up with this authorized list, how to get on the list, or how to get their products tested and approved for this new list. Also, there was no way to call someone at the FDA (during this time) to find out. It was a total mess for months.

Ironically, only a small group of mask manufacturers were authorized at first. Of course, it was the same companies who had no inventory to sell to dentists, because they were selling 100% of it to the government. THEN...the government started giving boatloads of cash to manufactures (like Honeywell) to start producing masks. All the while existing respirator masks, ready to be sold, aren't being authorized and the companies have no way to get authorized, or even talk to anyone about it. It was clear, to all of us in the industry, that there was some shady stuff going on here.

All the companies that did not have government contracts were left out of the discussion until it was clear that these manufactures could not able to keep up with demand. Suddenly, after months of not being authorized, companies magically became authorized again. How? With some sort of new mask effectiveness test proving its FDA authorization is warranted? NOPE. One day they only had authorized 13 companies, the next day they had authorized 48 respirator mask manufacturers. With at least two of the manufactures I personally work with, there was no contact with the company, no masks were sent in for testing, no test results shared, and they still were authorized for EUA. This EAU, by the way, was recently removed now that mask inventory is no longer an issue.

I don't know who the FDA directly reports to, or who specifically oversees that agency. What I can conclude from my own experience, there is most likely government contracts going to private companies (like the military industrial complex) that might play a role in decisions being made. Or its just incompetence. Either way, I'm reluctant to trust the FDA 100% because of it.

 

[Friend of Mara]

Yes. Either that or I have risen from the dead and am posting.

And you do realize that you can catch it again right? And taking the vaccine still only helps you right? And its free right now?

 

[Kenny]

And you do realize that you can catch it again right? And taking the vaccine still only helps you right? And its free right now?

No difference between vaccine and having contract covid. Did you know that? And that you can get Covid after the vaccine?