NYC Soda Ban

[Alceste]

*cranes neck back and forth while snapping at Alceste*

What now?!

I like the original story better.

 

[Meow Mix]

I like the original story better.

Mmm-mmm, girl! haha. /sassmode

 

[Alceste]

Mmm-mmm, girl! haha. /sassmode

Oh come on, you know it has a nice ring to it. "Congress declares pizza a vegetable". Who cares about the niggly details? There's an election coming!

Congress Declares Pizza A Vegetable

 

[Revoltingest]

The real controversy: Should the pepperoni go on top of the cheese, or under it?
To be on top is most common, but when I made pizza professionally, we put it under the cheese.
(That was back before engineering called. Food service didn't suit me.)

 

[HonestJoe]

How much burden do hang gliders put on the medical system?
Bungee jumpers?
Rock climbers?
Parasailers?
Sky divers?
Recreational drivers?

Not insignificant, certainly for the drivers. That's why many of these things are limited and regulated by government, especially in the context of businesses providing them as services to the public.

 

[Meow Mix]

Not insignificant, certainly for the drivers. That's why many of these things are limited and regulated by government, especially in the context of businesses providing them as services to the public.

Ok, so slap a big nutritional content warning on big sugary drinks.

I don't think a nanny state is a great idea to get started. Where does it stop? At what point does the government stop saving us from ourselves?

 

[Revoltingest]

Ok, so slap a big nutritional content warning on big sugary drinks.
I don't think a nanny state is a great idea to get started. Where does it stop? At what point does the government stop saving us from ourselves?

Is my fantasy coming true? (Note: I have platonic fantasies.)
Are you becoming a libertarian?
(For Eurotrash who like to argue the point, I be using the good ole Americun definition here.)
Ask yourself: Have you felt the need to accessorize with pocket protectors?

 

[Meow Mix]

Is my fantasy coming true? (Note: I have platonic fantasies.)
Are you becoming a libertarian?
(For Eurotrash who like to argue the point, I be using the good ole Americun definition here.)
Ask yourself: Have you felt the need to accessorize with pocket protectors?

I'm not a libertarian because I agree with the presence of government regulation in banking and business (e.g., emission and water standards); but I do believe in personal responsibility of the individual.

I believe the purpose of a just government isn't to grant rights (as I believe they're already there), nor to restrict them save to prevent people from forcibly stripping each others' rights.

From my viewpoint, nannying obese people is unacceptable in principle because they have the personal responsibility to be able to make their own choices -- if anything the government's role, if any, should merely be to inform (e.g. surgeon general's warning on cigarettes).

When the argument is made that the choices made by obese people, or smokers, or high risk sports enthusiasts (or whatever) unnecessarily and disproportionately burden taxpayers, some people say "That's not fair, we should disallow these people from doing these things." But I don't see that. I see "That's not fair. Something is wrong with how these people are paying for their medical coverage."

Would be be viable, do you think, for people who wish to engage in risky behavior -- who are informed of the dangers, but take personal responsibility to go through with it -- to simply shoulder more of the burden for that behavior themselves as part of the calculated cost? (By that I mean, the "cost" they calculate for engaging in the risk -- not necessarily monetary cost)

 

[Revoltingest]

I'm not a libertarian because I agree with the presence of government regulation in banking and business (e.g., emission and water standards); but I do believe in personal responsibility of the individual.

Hah! So do I!

I believe the purpose of a just government isn't to grant rights (as I believe they're already there), nor to restrict them save to prevent people from forcibly stripping each others' rights.

From my viewpoint, nannying obese people is unacceptable in principle because they have the personal responsibility to be able to make their own choices -- if anything the government's role, if any, should merely be to inform (e.g. surgeon general's warning on cigarettes).

When the argument is made that the choices made by obese people, or smokers, or high risk sports enthusiasts (or whatever) unnecessarily and disproportionately burden taxpayers, some people say "That's not fair, we should disallow these people from doing these things." But I don't see that. I see "That's not fair. Something is wrong with how these people are paying for their medical coverage."

Would be be viable, do you think, for people who wish to engage in risky behavior -- who are informed of the dangers, but take personal responsibility to go through with it -- to simply shoulder more of the burden for that behavior themselves as part of the calculated cost? (By that I mean, the "cost" they calculate for engaging in the risk -- not necessarily monetary cost)

It's as though we share one brain.
(A Mighty Wind reference.)
Room for you in our party there is! And we have pop (aka "soda")!

 

[Meow Mix]

Hah! So do I!

It's as though we share one brain.
(A Mighty Wind reference.)
Room for you in our party there is! And we have pop (aka "soda")!

That is creepy

 

[ChristineES]

Large popcorns? Really? Who orders a large popcorn for themselves anyway? Those are ordered for date nights or groups for sharing. It's cheaper that way. I've never heard of any single person eating a large popcorn on their own anyway. The only thing banning a large popcorn would accomplish would be making the movie theater an even more expensive place by making people order even more popcorn, just in smaller sizes.

I have to agree with this. I don't know of anyone who can eat those entire humungous popcorn boxes by themselves. Sometimes the larger drinks, too (although some people are grossed because of "back wash").

I am a grown woman, I can make my own decisions. I don't want the government making them for me. When I was a teenager, I didn't like my parents trying to make decisions for me, either.

 

[Revoltingest]

That is creepy

Well, it was as stock pic of nerds I found on the internet.
Real libertarians aren't quite so fashionable.

 

[Father Heathen]

Perhaps the government should also cut everyone's meals into tiny bite-size pieces to ensure that they don't choke on them.

 

[Father Heathen]

*cranes neck back and forth while snapping at Alceste*

What now?!

nnn mmm oh no you di'n't. :tsk:

 

[Wirey]

How is protecting citizens unable to protect themselves the creation of a nanny state? Right now there is a mom somewhere giving her kids a glass of pop with their Lucky Charms. Who's protecting the kid?

The best measure of any society is how it treats those least able to defend themselves.

 

[Rakhel]

You can still get the 20-ozers at the local bodagas and grocery stores. Anywhere that doesn't have a letter grade(another of old Bloomy's initiatives). Starbucks beverages are still allowed.

 

[Revoltingest]

How is protecting citizens unable to protect themselves the creation of a nanny state? Right now there is a mom somewhere giving her kids a glass of pop with their Lucky Charms. Who's protecting the kid?
The best measure of any society is how it treats those least able to defend themselves.

Of course, the question is how far gov should go to protect us. The law is a blunt instrument, & for every case of Lucky Charms soaked in Dr Pepper prevented,
authorities will also enforce unintended consequences....perhaps prosecuting Amish moms for serving their kids fresh milk cuz it's not FDA inspected. Here in
the People's Republic Of Ann Arbor, tenants' rights are so vigorously protected, that they've even told me to move a tenant's bed cuz it was on the wrong side of
the room. (I have proof!) What began as a concern for health & safety, has also incorporated decorating & lifestyle regulation.

Here is the guy with the misplaced bed....

 

[Wirey]

Of course, the question is how far gov should go to protect us. The law is a blunt instrument, & for every case of Lucky Charms soaked in Dr Pepper prevented,
authorities will also enforce unintended consequences....perhaps prosecuting Amish moms for serving their kids fresh milk cuz it's not FDA inspected. Here in
the People's Republic Of Ann Arbor, tenants' rights are so vigorously protected, that they've even told me to move a tenant's bed cuz it was on the wrong side of
the room. (I have proof!)

I know, but the use of the phrase 'nanny state' is overdone. "How dare the govenment spend money on a Fire Department? Do they think I don't know how to use a barbeque lighter?" And etc.

 

[Revoltingest]

I know, but the use of the phrase 'nanny state' is overdone. "How dare the govenment spend money on a Fire Department? Do they think I don't know how to use a barbeque lighter?" And etc.

"Nanny state" usually doesn't refer to fire departments.
Although here firemen (including firegals) can get over $100,000/year & have a pretty cushy job.

 

[Heathen Hammer]

Then they came for pole dancers in titty bars,
and I didn't speak out because I don't watch those.

Dudette, that was in the 90s with Guiliani, we have already suffered the Purge



Seriously though, Bloomberg needs to **** and get out already. We don't need some stranger determining our diets. I understand the desire to make the public healthier but prohibiting things isn't the way to do it. Education, beginning with healthy meal plans in public schools, is the way to inform younguns and start life-long habits. If anything they should ban soda in school lunchrooms, not in public places.