Obama Can't Talk About Gay or Trans Folks With Conviction

[Smoke]

Pam's House Blend:: President Obama Can't Talk About Gay or Trans Folks With Conviction, And Other Bluffs

The gist: "President Obama is unnecessarily maintaining discrimination against gay people, lying about it, and ignoring the trans community entirely."

 

[Midnight Pete]

Yes, that is because the reprogrammers haven't gotten to Obama yet. But they will.

 

[Father Heathen]

Yes, that is because the reprogrammers haven't gotten to Obama yet. But they will.

Christian conspiracy drivel aside, the real reason is due to political and public image/relations. They like to sit on the fence to avoid alienating one side or the other.

 

[Midnight Pete]

The real reason is that Barack Obama cannot be all things to all people.

 

[Father Heathen]

The real reason is that Barack Obama cannot be all things to all people.

That's what I said.

A person of honor and honesty would do the right thing without worrying who's toes might get stepped on in the process.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

That's what I said.

A person of honor and honesty would do the right thing without worrying who's toes might get stepped on in the process.

I'm not sure whether it would be even possible for such a person to be elected as President.

 

[ninerbuff]

I'm not sure whether it would be even possible for such a person to be elected as President.

Sounds like the Marines. Of course we'd want a Marine leading the country. Kill em all.

 

[ButTheCatCameBack]

To some extent I turn a deaf ear towards a lot of this. There are a lot of people whose intentions are good but are monumentally ignorant. While I don't see Obama being all gung ho to push national gay marriage. I still applaud the efforts on fronts such as DOMA. I tend to find a large number of people getting outraged are going to be the sort of people who don't get why they HAVE to appeal the judges ruling about stopping DADT.

I have about as much sympathy for those people as the conservative idiots who whine about "judicial activism" taking away the "will of the people."

 

[Father Heathen]

Sounds like the Marines. Of course we'd want a Marine leading the country. Kill em all.

You associate marines with honor and honesty? I think the romanticized vision that our culture has of soldiers is rather silly.

 

[ButTheCatCameBack]

You associate marines with honor and honesty? I think the romanticized vision that our culture has of soldiers is rather silly.

As a former active duty Marine. Some of us? Yes. All of us? No. But I'd think that's a little obvious.

Unfortunately romanticized ideas about the military also means that issues like sexual harassment and other excesses by military figures often gets a blind eye from the public and that has to change.

 

[Smoke]

I still applaud the efforts on fronts such as DOMA.

What efforts are those?

I tend to find a large number of people getting outraged are going to be the sort of people who don't get why they HAVE to appeal the judges ruling about stopping DADT.

Why do they HAVE TO appeal it?

 

[Father Heathen]

As a former active duty Marine. Some of us? Yes. All of us? No. But I'd think that's a little obvious.

Unfortunately romanticized ideas about the military also means that issues like sexual harassment and other excesses by military figures often gets a blind eye from the public and that has to change.

Of course many soldiers conduct themselves with valor, I just get annoyed with society's squeaky clean action hero perception of "the troops". Some can be downright cocky thugs, which people don't acknowledge because it shatters the wholesome image or they look the other way because they "defend our freedom", whatever that means.

 

[Midnight Pete]

Of course many soldiers conduct themselves with valor, I just get annoyed with society's squeaky clean action hero perception of "the troops".

Popular culture is responsible for this squeaky clean action hero perception of soldiers. Hollywoods cranks out movie after movie that are nothing short of worshipful. It's masturbatory. It's sickening.

 

[Father Heathen]

Popular culture is responsible for this squeaky clean action hero perception of soldiers. Hollywoods cranks out movie after movie that are nothing short of worshipful. It's masturbatory. It's sickening.

It stems with browbeating jingoism, while the entertainment industry only tries to milk the sentiment for profit's sake.

 

[Midnight Pete]

It stems with browbeating jingoism, while the entertainment industry only tries to milk the sentiment for profit's sake.

As I said, sickening.

 

[Midnight Pete]

Obama Can't Talk About Gay or Trans Folks With Conviction

Obama is already trying to please everybody and it's costing him. There's only so much you can ask from one man.

 

[ButTheCatCameBack]

Of course many soldiers conduct themselves with valor, I just get annoyed with society's squeaky clean action hero perception of "the troops". Some can be downright cocky thugs, which people don't acknowledge because it shatters the wholesome image or they look the other way because they "defend our freedom", whatever that means.

And point of fact, it also hurts military enlistees. I saw a lot of people who had grown up their whole lives just wanting to be a Marine. Then they joined and they were so stunned by the way things were as far as Marines treating other Marines that they opted out of continued service.

 

[Wessexman]

I tend to find a large number of people getting outraged are going to be the sort of people who don't get why they HAVE to appeal the judges ruling about stopping DADT.

I have about as much sympathy for those people as the conservative idiots who whine about "judicial activism" taking away the "will of the people."

I'm pretty sympathetic to the originalist and strict constructionist viewpoint, the problem with any other is that it, as Jefferson said, tends to turn constitutions and laws into mere wax for judges to remake. It all then becomes about stacking the judiciary along ideological lines; judicial activism can go against your viewpoint as well as for it.

I don't support gay marriage but I wouldn't like to see it granted through the courts rather than the legislature. Of course in Britain there's the added evil that it would probably come through a bloody European court, if it came that way.

 

[ButTheCatCameBack]

I'm pretty sympathetic to the originalist and strict constructionist viewpoint, the problem with any other is that it, as Jefferson said, tends to turn constitutions and laws into mere wax for judges to remake. It all then becomes about stacking the judiciary along ideological lines; judicial activism can go against your viewpoint as well as for it.

I don't support gay marriage but I wouldn't like to see it granted through the courts rather than the legislature. Of course in Britain there's the added evil that it would probably come through a bloody European court, if it came that way.

I don't even grant users of judicial activism as a term any level of respect or historical context. It's VASTLY used in the United States by individuals who not only have no understanding of the differences between a pure Democracy and a Democratic Republic but a deeply flawed concept of what the Judicial branch's powers are. It's like they don't know what checks and balances is.

I am VERY much for gay marriage and I hope for the opportunity in the future here in California to volunteer for work on that front depending on how the appeals go for the Prop 8 trial.

 

[Midnight Pete]

That's what I said.

A person of honor and honesty would do the right thing without worrying who's toes might get stepped on in the process.

But what if doing the right thing here means doing the wrong thing there? Critics are standing by to attack him from all sides. Obama really should stick to the platform that got him into the White House instead of trying to be universally likable.

Sorry, Smoke. :sorry1: