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Obvious Study: Anti-Abortionists found Sexist

freethinker44

Well-Known Member
Obviously if the study starts with the assumption that nearly everything is sexist, they will be sure to find that whatever they are studying is also sexist, also, they aren't saying anti-abortionists are more likely to be sexist, they are saying sexists are more likely to be anti-abortionist.
 

Marisa

Well-Known Member
Did anybody read the abstract?
Well, I did. Still, I didn't need it to tell me that people who say things like "rape is just another form of conception" or "if it's legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down" or that contraception is "a license to do things in the sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be" are sexist, and unsurprisingly anti-abortion. Because duh, a woman's job is to breed and her value lies between her legs, not between her ears.
 

MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
Well, I did. Still, I didn't need it to tell me that people who say things like "rape is just another form of conception" or "if it's legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down" or that contraception is "a license to do things in the sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be" are sexist, and unsurprisingly anti-abortion. Because duh, a woman's job is to breed and her value lies between her legs, not between her ears.

I have this perception too. Whether the sexism is hostile or whether the sexism is benevolent, I have found the anti-choice crowd generally carries varying degrees of sexist attitudes.

In debates or discussions here, I also find it notable that a pro-choice person like me has been considered vile and supportive of genocidal murder by some, but when I offer the counter-opinion of sexism in their attitudes, I'm suddenly even MORE vile in their eyes.

Like, how dare I say the word "sexist" to them about their views? They love women. Right?

I think when it comes to the sociological descriptions of "sexist" and "racist" terms, people have a tendency to value a persons very worth off of those charges. As if there is no such thing as "sexism" unless the person who holds those views are truly awful and evil people.

So for me or other pro-choice people who find anti-choice arguments to carry sexist underpinnings, I am seen as insulting that very person and saying they're horrible horrible people. It's conflating, I think, an opinion with an identity.

And to include in this thought, your signature, Marisa. ;)
 

Marisa

Well-Known Member
I have this perception too. Whether the sexism is hostile or whether the sexism is benevolent, I have found the anti-choice crowd generally carries varying degrees of sexist attitudes.
I find comments like "men should place a good woman on a pedestal" quite patronizing, and as unpalatable as the suggestion that women are happier at home raising their babies and letting their man handle life's heavy lifting.

In debates or discussions here, I also find it notable that a pro-choice person like me has been considered vile and supportive of genocidal murder by some, but when I offer the counter-opinion of sexism in their attitudes, I'm suddenly even MORE vile in their eyes.
I used "anti abortion" without even thinking, though I reject that as a position distinguishable from those who self identify as pro-choice. I know a lot of pro-choice individuals, I don't know anyone who is pro-abortion. Well, until @Revoltingest that is. :D

Like, how dare I say the word "sexist" to them about their views? They love women. Right?
It is my experience that those who benefit from a privileged status are the least likely to recognize that privilege, and often conflate acknowledgement with being an -ist (racist, sexist, etc.). There are many types of privilege in the US, and acknowledging that one may possess one (or all) of them doesn't make one anything but aware. It also costs and individual nothing to allow others access to the same benefits that *I* may already possess.

I think when it comes to the sociological descriptions of "sexist" and "racist" terms, people have a tendency to value a persons very worth off of those charges. As if there is no such thing as "sexism" unless the person who holds those views are truly awful and evil people.

So for me or other pro-choice people who find anti-choice arguments to carry sexist underpinnings, I am seen as insulting that very person and saying they're horrible horrible people. It's conflating, I think, an opinion with an identity.

And to include in this thought, your signature, Marisa. ;)
Agreed. Props to Ari!
 

Yerda

Veteran Member
Living in a post-modern world where the liberal peace-lovers tell us all views are equal...

Unless you disagree with the liberal peace-lovers of course. Then you're a sexist racist fascist piece of scum.
Sometimes people say stupid stuff when things get heated. When you really care about something it can be difficult to avoid percieving opponents of your view as motivated by the worst intentions.

I didn't know liberal peace lovers though all views were equal, though. Surely they appreciate that loving peace is objectively better for us than loving war.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
That article is completely stupid and offensive political tripe that has nothing to do with science (I haven't read the study so I can't comment on that). The typical sexist isn't likely to be a right-wing Christian, but a frat boy type who just wants to screw women and then dump them. They probably won't care if they knock up women and they abort the kid(s).
 

Marisa

Well-Known Member
That article is completely stupid and offensive political tripe that has nothing to do with science (I haven't read the study so I can't comment on that). The typical sexist isn't likely to be a right-wing Christian, but a frat boy type who just wants to screw women and then dump them. They probably won't care if they knock up women and they abort the kid(s).
Uh . . . Rush Limbaugh? Not to mention Todd Akin and Rick Santorum, whom I quoted in my previous post. Coulda quoted more, too. Anyone remember Clayton Williams and his "weather is like rape" comment or am I the only one whose memory goes back that far? Don't worry though, the DNC has its own vice sexist, a la Joe Biden.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
I added more to my comment FYI. Uncle Rush is the conservative republican who demanded Sandre Fluke's alleged sex tapes after accusing her of being a prostitute because he was unhappy that she testified before congress about birth control.
What does rattling off men in the public eye have to do with what I said?
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Well they do have a base to which they appeal. Rather a large one, if voting statistics are to be accepted as evidence.
And do you think that most people who may vote for them agree specifically with those statements? I vote for people where I don't agree with everything they say or support.

Also, I'm pointing out that being sexist doesn't mean you're more likely to be against abortion because the more prevalent form of sexism in society at this time appears to be the "bang 'em and leave 'em" type of objectification that eschews responsibility and commitment. The sky high number of fatherless households where the male has abandoned his family attests to that.
 

Marisa

Well-Known Member
And do you think that most people who may vote for them agree specifically with those statements? I vote for people where I don't agree with everything they say or support.

Also, I'm pointing out that being sexist doesn't mean you're more likely to be against abortion because the more prevalent form of sexism in society at this time appears to be the "bang 'em and leave 'em" type of objectification that eschews responsibility and commitment. The sky high number of fatherless households where the male has abandoned his family attests to that.
Those particular statements? Yeah. I think they hold their noses on other stuff. I vote based on statements like that and hold my nose on the fact that most democrats are otherwise largely indistinguishable from conservatives who earn the label RINO, like Jon Huntsman, who doesn't say crap like that but tries to get his party to focus on non-social domestic policy issues and foreign policy. If you were trying to suggest that these may be extreme conservative issues, don't waste your time, Rick Santorum was one sick child away from taking the 2012 nomination right out from under Romney.
 
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