Oh... my... God!

[Djamila]

Vaginal mutiliation in the Sandzak

A 25-year-old from the Sandzak will never truly be with a man. Wahabbi men forcibly cut off her clitoris even though Islam does not allow this.

Vaginal mutilation is apparently not limited to the most isolated regions of Africa and Wahabbi circles in Saudi Arabia, no, it is happening now in the heart of Europe. TODAY has confirmed that a 25-year-old woman from the Sandzak has reluctantly come forward to report the incident to local police, despite her fears of a backlash from Saudi Wahabbi missionaries.

"This is not something we even have stories about in our historical epics. It is not something mothers even think to warn their daughters about it. This barbaric practice does not belong here," she said, refusing to allow her name be published.

Etc...

Vaginal mutilation first appeared in Bosnia and Herzegovina, and the Bosnian-populated Sandzak region, during the war when Arab fighters came to help the Muslim victims of genocide. It, along with the murders of dozens of Bosnian Muslim wives whose husbands were not Muslim, turned the majority of Muslims against these foreign elements.

However, dozens of men married local wives - most of them underage war orphans - and established isolated, rural communities in central Bosnia and the Sandzak.

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Deport them all. And, please God, let us go to the airport and beat them on their way out.​

 

[Radio Frequency X]

Some people are simply psychologically bereft of goodness.

 

[Buttons*]

Yeah that kind of stuff goes on all over Africa... they call it a rite of passage... but it's just sick

 

[lilithu]

A 25-year-old from the Sandzak will never truly be with a man. Wahabbi men forcibly cut off her clitoris even though Islam does not allow this.

Vaginal mutilation is apparently not limited to the most isolated regions of Africa and Wahabbi circles in Saudi Arabia, no, it is happening now in the heart of Europe. TODAY has confirmed that a 25-year-old woman from the Sandzak has reluctantly come forward to report the incident to local police, despite her fears of a backlash from Saudi Wahabbi missionaries.

"This is not something we even have stories about in our historical epics. It is not something mothers even think to warn their daughters about it. This barbaric practice does not belong here," she said, refusing to allow her name be published.

Etc...

Vaginal mutilation first appeared in Bosnia and Herzegovina, and the Bosnian-populated Sandzak region, during the war when Arab fighters came to help the Muslim victims of genocide. It, along with the murders of dozens of Bosnian Muslim wives whose husbands were not Muslim, turned the majority of Muslims against these foreign elements.

However, dozens of men married local wives - most of them underage war orphans - and established isolated, rural communities in central Bosnia and the Sandzak.

*****

Deport them all. And, please God, let us go to the airport and beat them on their way out.​

Interesting how these supposedly pious men had no trouble touching a woman's private parts... as long as it was to mutilate her.

I may draw fire from some of the Muslims on RF but as far as I'm concerned the Wahabbi's are extremists (to say the least). And they're frightening.



And the U.S. considers Saudi Arabia to be our ally in the "war on terror."
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[Booko]

Deport them all. And, please God, let us go to the airport and beat them on their way out.

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Nah. I think in this case we should make the punishment fit the crime.

This is not a religious practice, and should be outlawed and heavily punished to deter others from following suit.
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[CaptainXeroid]

Wow! That truly is terrible.

Last year, an African immigrant living in metro Atlanta was convicted of genital mutliation on his daughter.

This is not a religious practice, and should be outlawed and heavily punished to deter others from following suit.

I concur 100%. I can't even imagine why some people would be so sick to think that this was a good idea.

 

[TashaN]

despite her fears of a backlash from Saudi Wahabbi missionaries.

First of all, what do you mean by Wahabbi?

then after that, try to prove for me what is the relationship between Saudi Arabia and this bad scary inhuman incident.

the Wahabbi's are extremists (to say the least). And they're frightening.

And the U.S. considers Saudi Arabia to be our ally in the "war on terror."​

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Can you tell me please why you think of Saudi arabia in this way?

Also, what is the relationship between Saudi Arabia and what you guys call as Wahabbi's?

 

[James the Persian]

Nah. I think in this case we should make the punishment fit the crime.

Emasculation seem reasonable?

This is not a religious practice, and should be outlawed and heavily punished to deter others from following suit.

I couldn't agree more. It's absolutely vile and shouldn't be tolerated anywhere.

James

 

[eudaimonia]

Vaginal mutilation should definitely be illegal.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[MysticSang'ha]

So terrible.



I applaud this woman who came forward in order to bring awareness to her plight and to others like her. There are so many more women in the world that suffer from FGM because of it's continued practice. There's another thread on RF that discusses specifically how widespread the practice truly is.


http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38815&highlight=female+genital+mutilation


Amnesty International's site provides links to sites (from what I remember) that help women who have been scarred or who have escaped from being mutilated. It is truly a widespread phenomenon that must be stopped.



Peace,
Mystic

 

[Ozzie]

Help me to understand religious denial of sexuality.

 

[kiwimac]

Salafism or Salafīyyah (Arabic: سلفية‎ "predecessors" or "early generations") is a puritanical fundamentalist movement within Islam. "Salafi" is an umbrella term for adherents of a particular form of Islamic revivalism who vary amongst themselves as to its definition, but share a rejection of contemporary Islamic teachings in favor of a return to the Salaf, as Islam was practiced during the first three generations of Muslims.

Salafi Muslims are often grouped together with Wahhabi Muslims, although the two movements began independently and originally held opposing views. Wahhabism rejected modern influences, while Salafism sought to reconcile Islam with modernism.

Source: Wikipedia

Neither Wahhābīya nor Salafiyyah require Female circumcision, this is an Africa cultural practice not a tenet of Islam. Those who performed this practice should be charged with Assault with a waepon, sexual assault, imprisoned and then deported.

kiwimac

 

[jacquie4000]

This is so terriable and sad no matter how it began.

 

[Djamila]

First of all, what do you mean by Wahabbi?

This is what Wahabbism is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahabbism

And a Wahabbi is someone who follows Wahabbism.

then after that, try to prove for me what is the relationship between Saudi Arabia and this bad scary inhuman incident.

The men who did this to her, according to the article, were Saudian Arabian.

 

[ayani]

i am so proud of this woman for coming forward.... that takes much courage. i agree that is is disgustingly twisted that a man will have no problem touching a woman if it is to cut and "purify" her. this is wrong. i hope these men are made examples of, to let others know this is absolutely *not* ok. anywhere.

i was reading a book the other day by a woman who had been mutilated as a seven year old girl. the description of what she underwent during and after the "surgery" are horrendous. complications from these procedures can kill and ruin lives. there is no medical need whatsoever for this- it is torturous and inhumane.

 

[mostly harmless]

Every time I read about that barbaric 'practice' my heart breaks for the women (or girls) who were/are victims of it.
Disgusting.

 

[michel]

Unfortunately, this is a practice that goes on world wide; the African community in London (especially) do this as a matter of habit.

It is disgusting, foul and evil; I agree with Booko; the punishment should be " like for like".

 

[lilithu]

Nah. I think in this case we should make the punishment fit the crime.

I am not normally a proponent of an "eye for an eye," but in this case it seems fitting.

This is not a religious practice, and should be outlawed and heavily punished to deter others from following suit.

This is a common response to practices that we find disturbing. I find it difficult to presume to say whether someone else's practices constitute genuine religious practice or not. I would not outlaw this if it were voluntarily undergone, as revolting as I think it is. Otoh, I can easily say that nothing like this can be forced on anyone regardless of how genuinely the perpetrators feel it is part of their faith, and therefore that is prosecutable without making the practice itself illegal.

 

[lilithu]

Hi The Truth, I've been expecting you.

Can you tell me please why you think of Saudi arabia in this way?

First off, let me be clear that when I say Saudi Arabia, I do not mean all the people in Saudi Arabia. Just as when I say the U.S., I do not mean all the people in the U.S. I mean their governments. Most of the people in Saudi Arabia have no control over what their govt does, just as we in the U.S. don't seem to have much control over ours.

The government of the U.S. considers the government of Saudia Arabia to be an ally in the war on terror. Our govt conveniently found no evidence of Saudi involvement in 9/11 even tho 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudi nationals and Osama bin Laden was from a wealthy Saudi family. (Where did the money come from for the attacks??!) INSTEAD, we declare war on Iraq, supposedly to defend the world from weapons of mass destruction.

Also, what is the relationship between Saudi Arabia and what you guys call as Wahabbi's?

Well, for starters, the article says that these Wahhabi men came from Saudi Arabia.

Secondly,

Wahhabism, is to Islam what the Christian far right/Fundamentalists is to Christianity. It insists on a rigidly literalist interpretation of the Qur'an. It teaches that those who are not Muslims are infidels and enemies. The Taliban is Wahhabi. Osama is Wahhabi. That doesn't mean that all Wahhabi's are terrorists. But if we're looking for places where hatred against the U.S. might be fomented, this would be where to look instead of condemning all of Islam.

Wahhabism's connection to Saudi Arabia is that several of the Saudi princes are Wahhabi, and the predominant form of Islam in Saudi Arabia is Wahhabi. AGAIN, this does not mean that all Saudis are bad etc. and I certainly am not advocating for war against Saudi Arabia. But I do wonder why it is that the U.S. govt decided to go after Saddam instead of putting pressure on the Saudi govt to clean their own house.

More relevant to this thread, when the Taliban ruled Afghanistan they had the "morality police" go around attacking, mutilating, and even killing women who didn't conform to their rules of moral behavior. The same kind of "morality police" continue to operate in Saudi Arabia. Only very recently did the govt declare that these "police: were not allowed to "interrogate" those they arrested but people are still arrested for things like holding hands in public or women who show anything more than their eyes... or drive cars

(http://www.freemuslims.org/news/article.php?article=1487
This is a great website btw.)


The Truth, I did not even know about Wahhabism until some of my Muslim friends and colleague told me about it. Actually, they would talk about how wonderful Islam is, how maligned and misunderstood it is, until one would mention the Wahhabi's and then they'd all grimace and say 'Oh... them.' Much the same way that mainstream Christians react to the mention of Christian Fundamentalists. And I have met Christian Fundamentalists who seem like very nice people. But it's undeniable (to me anyway) that their brand of exclusivist Christianity is more likely to cause intolerance of those who are not Christian. I think the same is true for Muslim fundamentalism - that their exclusivist theology is more likely to cause intolerance of those who are not Muslim - and the Wahhabi's fit that mold.

From one of my favorite tv shows, Frontline:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/saudi/analyses/wahhabism.html

 

[Djamila]

The Truth, I did not even know about Wahhabism until some of my Muslim friends and colleague told me about it. Actually, they would talk about how wonderful Islam is, how maligned and misunderstood it is, until one would mention the Wahhabi's and then they'd all grimace and say 'Oh... them.'

So true.