oh yeah, theres a HELL[Jesus believers only

[Desert Snake]

Just an interesting idea, eternal HELL, non eternal HELL, different levels of HELL,



discuss and debate

 

[Darkforbid]

Nope

 

[Desert Snake]

Nope

Seems somewhat optimistic.

 

[Kenny]

Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire.

it doesn't really say what happened to hell after it was cast into the lake of fire... sooo... I leave that up to God.

 

[Desert Snake]

Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire.

it doesn't really say what happened to hell after it was cast into the lake of fire... sooo... I leave that up to God.

Revelation 20:10

Would seem to a very bad level of Hell, [eternal,

 

[Kenny]

Revelation 20:10

Would seem to a very bad level of Hell, [eternal,

It doesn't say it is a level of Hell... but rather a Lake of Fire for Satan.

I thought you asked about Hell.

 

[Desert Snake]

It doesn't say it is a level of Hell... but rather a Lake of Fire for Satan.

I thought you asked about Hell.

Sure, you take verses and contrast.

There is an 'everlasting hell', a type of hell, then in Revelation you get, hell is cast into the lake of fire, at some point. Nowhere do you get, the lake of fire isn't eternal.
Revelation 20:10

Since reference to everlasting hell precedes the book of Revelation, this makes sense[otherwise everlasting hell, and non eternal HELL contradict each other. Can't have both, really.


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If one believes in both, then Hell is still eternal. Then one could present verses or what not to argue another type of Hell.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

How about another option? TWO hells. The first hell is the grave. Every person faces this first hell. Second hell is the fire that will DESTROY the wicked. No eternal roasting in torture. Just a final end to all existance. Everyone will not face the second hell because those who follow and obey God will be saved from it.

 

[Enoch07]

No hell for us humans. If you pass judgment then fine proceed to Heaven. If you do not pass judgment you are consumed in fire and erased from existence.

Perhaps there is a special place for Satan to writhe, burn and torment in for all eternity. Considering his crimes I'm ok with that.

 

[leov]

Sure, you take verses and contrast.

There is an 'everlasting hell', a type of hell, then in Revelation you get, hell is cast into the lake of fire, at some point. Nowhere do you get, the lake of fire isn't eternal.
Revelation 20:10

Since reference to everlasting hell precedes the book of Revelation, this makes sense[otherwise everlasting hell, and non eternal HELL contradict each other. Can't have both, really.


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If one believes in both, then Hell is still eternal. Then one could present verses or what not to argue another type of Hell.

death and Hell - Hades - afterlife. If physical death removed, is there need for afterlife?

 

[Desert Snake]

death and Hell - Hades - afterlife. If physical death removed, is there need for afterlife?

I'm not entirely sure what that means, however there is '[everlasting 'hell', so that wouldn't mean hell doesn't exist.

 

[Desert Snake]

A variable there might be, what is the nature of Hell. This differs by religion, however it tends to differ by tradition, as far as I can tell, more.

 

[74x12]

Just an interesting idea, eternal HELL, non eternal HELL, different levels of HELL,



discuss and debate

Hell/hades is going to be destroyed in the lake of fire. Hades is a temporary prison. It's not the final destination. The final destination people should avoid is the lake of fire itself which is not really in hell. It seems to be in heaven actually but is a place designed to destroy and punish fallen angels.

 

[leov]

I'm not entirely sure what that means, however there is '[everlasting 'hell', so that wouldn't mean hell doesn't exist.

It says Hades.

 

[Desert Snake]

It says Hades.

Everlasting hell is in old testament, also.

Hades means hell, though, it's a greek approximation meaning. The christian hell is really bad, though

 

[leov]

Everlasting hell is in old testament, also.

Hades means hell, though, it's a greek approximation meaning. The christian hell is really bad, though

It says age long not everlasting...fwiw, if we figure out what lake of fire might be. Fire is purification. Book of Revelation is symbolic, and understands it is you " he who reads".
Revelation 1:3 Lexicon: Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of the prophecy, and heed the things which are written in it; for the time is near.
But 'reads' Strong's Greek: 314. ἀναγινώσκω (anaginóskó) -- to know certainly, know again, read
"Definition: to know certainly, know again, read"

 

[Desert Snake]

It says age long not everlasting...fwiw, if we figure out what lake of fire might be. Fire is purification. Book of Revelation is symbolic, and understands it is you " he who reads".
Revelation 1:3 Lexicon: Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of the prophecy, and heed the things which are written in it; for the time is near.
But 'reads' Strong's Greek: 314. ἀναγινώσκω (anaginóskó) -- to know certainly, know again, read
"Definition: to know certainly, know again, read"

Agreed, sure. However, this does not take into account levels of HELL? The idea of variated hell is fairly traditional. With a certain 'everlasting hell', Old Testament, and no indication there isn't an everlasting hell, then scripturally, no way. There is an everlasting hell, in other words.

So, Revelation in correlation with that, cannot mean, there is no everlasting hell.
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This may not mean there isn't variation, though.
A purifying of the being could be deduced from the construct, ie one sends themselves to that hell. Now, what might that mean. If you are dealing with a very bad spirit, then why a normal process of purification? Doesnt really make sense. There aren't any consequences ? Makes no sense. So, it can't mean there is one purifying aspect of hell.

 

[leov]

Agreed, sure. However, this does not take into account levels of HELL? The idea of variated hell is fairly traditional. With a certain 'everlasting hell', Old Testament, and no indication there isn't an everlasting hell, then scripturally, no way. There is an everlasting hell, in other words.

So, Revelation in correlation with that, cannot mean, there is no everlasting hell.
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This may not mean there isn't variation, though.
A purifying of the being could be deduced from the construct, ie one sends themselves to that hell. Now, what might that mean. If you are dealing with a very bad spirit, then why a normal process of purification? Doesnt really make sense. There aren't any consequences ? Makes no sense. So, it can't mean there is one purifying aspect of hell.

Levels of Hades? Like Tartarus ? Elysium? Normal process of purification, imo, can be only on physical plane through metanoia.

 

[Jesuslightoftheworld]

Just an interesting idea, eternal HELL, non eternal HELL, different levels of HELL,



discuss and debate

Oh I think hell is a very real place, and I don’t want to go there; complete absence of God...we can choose where we to spend eternity. God has made it very simple. Accept Christ and we are welcome to the Kingdom of Heaven. Thank the Lord.