Oh you're a vegan? Well great, now everyone hates you.

[Wirey]

http://www.waoy.org/9.html

http://www.rense.com/general26/milk.htm


So, how much of a difference is there between a human baby drinking the milk of its mother versus drinking the milk of a cow? Dr. Oski cites a "study of over twenty thousand infants conducted in Chicago as far back as the 1930s... The overall death rate for the babies raised on human milk was 1.5 deaths per 1,000 infants while the death rate in the babies fed cow milk was 84.7 per 1,000 during the first nine months of life. The death rate from gastrointestinal infections was forty times higher in the non-breast-fed infants, while the death rate from respiratory infections was 120 times higher. An earlier analysis involving infants in eight American cities showed similar results. Infants fed on cow milk had a twenty times greater chance of dying during the first six months of life."

Dr. Oski warns, "The consumption of cow milk from an early age may have life-long consequences... One pathologist has reviewed the heart vessels of over 1,500 children and adolescents who had died as a result of accidents.... These children and adolescents had not died as a result of disease, yet many of them showed signs of diseased arteries in the heart.... The majority of children with normal blood vessels had been breast-fed; the majority of children with diseased vessels had been fed cow milk or cow milk based formulas. It is therefore reasonable to conclude that the differences between human milk and cow milk were responsible for the early changes in the coronary arteries."

But don't we need to drink milk to get calcium? No. The best way to add calcium to your diet is to eat more fresh green vegetables. Cow's milk is high in calcium, but Dr. Ellis explains, the problem is that it is in a form that cannot be assimilated very well by humans. Dr. Ellis states, "Thousands and thousands of blood tests I've conducted show that people who drink 3 or 4 glasses of milk a day invariably had the lowest levels of blood calcium."

Our pervasive dairy advertising has led to one of the most commonly held, and solidly disproved, fallacies about bones, which is that the best way to build strong bones is to increase calcium consumption by drinking plenty of milk. Actually, the consensus among leading medical researchers is that the best way for most people to increase their calcium level and strengthen their bones is to reduce their protein intake, and specifically to reduce consumption of animal products. Research has conclusively shown we can do more to increase the calcium level in our bones by reducing protein intake than by increasing calcium intake. The reason is that animal products and other sources of high protein are very acidic, and the blood stream must balance this acidic condition by absorbing alkaline minerals such as calcium from the bone structure. Thus, numerous studies, including those published in the Aug. 22, 1984 Medical Tribune and the March 1983 Journal of Clinical Nutrition, have found that vegetarians have much stronger bones than meat-eaters. Indeed, the Journal of Clinical Nutrition article found that by age 65, meat-eaters had five to six times as much measurable bone loss as vegetarians.

The mucus created by dairy products causes other problems as well. It is well-known that dairy products cause excessive mucus in the lungs, sinuses and intestines. Dr. Ellis notes this excess mucus in the breathing passages contributes to many respiratory problems and that mucus hardens to form a coating on the inner wall of the intestines that leads to poor absorption of nutrients, which can cause chronic fatigue. This mucus also causes constipation, which can lead to many other problems.

etc...

In the OP you asked why people get annoyed by veganism? It's because vegans seem to think they have the moral high ground and push crap like this out at everyone who disagrees with them and eats meat, which I am specifically designed to do with these canine teeth. The fact that you've made a choice for you is meaningless to me. I believe that every vegan is deeply disturbed, and tries to deny their inner animal by denying their craving for meat, just like that most famous vegan, Adolph Hitler. There, now I'm going to go have a glass of $%^#ing milk! And I might fry an egg just for dirt!

 

[freethinker44]

Speaking of which, I went through grade school in the 50's and I cannot remember one kid that ran screaming from a peanut butter sandwich (which, BTW, was common fare in most lunches). It seems this peanut allergy has evolved through the years.

It probably only seems that way because you have greater access to news and current events. It's only about 2% of children that suffer from peanut allergies. Before the epipen was invented in the late 70s most people with serious food allergies probably just died young. Which would explain why you wouldn't have remembered seeing them.

 

[Rival]

In the OP you asked why people get annoyed by veganism? It's because vegans seem to think they have the moral high ground and push crap like this out at everyone who disagrees with them and eats meat, which I am specifically designed to do with these canine teeth. The fact that you've made a choice for you is meaningless to me. I believe that every vegan is deeply disturbed, and tries to deny their inner animal by denying their craving for meat, just like that most famous vegan, Adolph Hitler. There, now I'm going to go have a glass of $%^#ing milk! And I might fry an egg just for dirt!

I was responding to Father Heathen asking why vegans don't eat dairy, thanks. I said because dairy is bad for us and provided my reasons.

 

[Knight of Albion]

So here's one thing I've noticed since becoming a vegan:

Everyone hates your diet. And for no good reason.

I live with my dad and my grandparents and he was just in here berating me about how much I'm costing them in food. Well, I'm sorry but there are two things:

- I never asked for them to buy me food and I regularly buy all my 'special' vegan products myself.

- What cost? Veganism is a food reduction, my diet is high in fruit, vegetables, nuts, carbs and plant milks. Does that seriously cost more than a steak and cheese? No.

And to top it all off he asked me to try a cooked mushroom before he mentioned all this and didn't tell me it was cooked in butter, knowing I am a vegan.

Well great, how clever are you. Ugh. I am so annoyed. I am not telling other people what to eat, and my diet is up to me.

Seriously what is up with this? The minute you 'come out' as a vegan, people come down hard on you for it. Why is my diet anything to do with you? Why do you care??

And btw butter is effn disgusting.

In their heart of hearts they know you're on the right path, and that they really ought to be doing the same, but aren't yet ready to. So it stirs a reaction.

Few things are more influential than good example.

 

[BSM1]

It probably only seems that way because you have greater access to news and current events. It's only about 2% of children that suffer from peanut allergies. Before the epipen was invented in the late 70s most people with serious food allergies probably just died young. Which would explain why you wouldn't have remembered seeing them.

I was in eleven different schools by the time I hit eighth grade, and there was not a kid one that died in any of the schools I attended.

 

[RedDragon94]

Yeah, I tried to be vegetarian at one point... And then I went to Texas Roadhouse and all that changed.

 

[Cateau]

So here's one thing I've noticed since becoming a vegan:

Everyone hates your diet. And for no good reason.

I live with my dad and my grandparents and he was just in here berating me about how much I'm costing them in food. Well, I'm sorry but there are two things:

- I never asked for them to buy me food and I regularly buy all my 'special' vegan products myself.

- What cost? Veganism is a food reduction, my diet is high in fruit, vegetables, nuts, carbs and plant milks. Does that seriously cost more than a steak and cheese? No.

And to top it all off he asked me to try a cooked mushroom before he mentioned all this and didn't tell me it was cooked in butter, knowing I am a vegan.

Well great, how clever are you. Ugh. I am so annoyed. I am not telling other people what to eat, and my diet is up to me.

Seriously what is up with this? The minute you 'come out' as a vegan, people come down hard on you for it. Why is my diet anything to do with you? Why do you care??

And btw butter is effn disgusting.

I'm vegetarian going on vegan, and it's the same for novices as for advanced "dieters" I think, when I order anything vegetarian I can't confide and check it over because one too many times my orders have had meat in them. You kinda begin to think you are being conspired against to the point of being ostracised and after a while you realize that's just what's happening

 

[Shaul]

 

[Shaul]

 

[Vinayaka]

The vast majority of the time, nobody needs to know. Only when dining with others of a mixed crowd, and you have to refuse something, or eating out. The rest of the time, there is no need to share about your diet. After awhile, you learn to 'sneak' around. Same thing with religion, politics, sexual orientation, and a ton of other things.

 

[freethinker44]

I was in eleven different schools by the time I hit eighth grade, and there was not a kid one that died in any of the schools I attended.

Right, if most died before they reached school age there wouldn't have been.

 

[Flankerl]

The secret to health, no matter the diet, is a balanced well planned one. That's it

So Veganism is not healthier than Vegetarianism or Omnivorism.

Quite literally what I wrote.

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They also recommend that ALL children from 6 months to 5 years have certain vitamins as supplements in the form of drops, regardless of their diet.

Yeah and its completely stupid. As in "too stupid to breath".
Its a trend from the US where they eat supplements like there is no tomorrow and drug their kids when they are loud.

Wanna know the super secret way to feed children healthy without supplements?
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Its not rocket science. Children aren't even picky, they are of course if their parents ****ed up along the way or if their parents are too stupid to realise that the gustatory nerves of children are different from those of grown ups. So don't wonder why the spinach is in your face and not in your child's tummy, its your fault.

Not going to address every little point you make, since a simple google search would tell you that there are vegan sources for pretty much anything. And as for your sarcastic remark on "Veganism is such a healthy business", here's some proof. Taken from reddit and in particular /u/Infinity:

So they also don't like their bones and brain. Unless supplements.
Its really not my fault that the stuff you need for them is not in plants. Seriously I didn't make them that way. Just working with what I got.

Just clicked the Harvard one and it mentioned cholesterol, are the Americans really still going on about it? Probably Eggs too.
Next link I click is probably going to be about why Butter is bad and Margarine is good. Straight from history.

No seriously its funny.

I can easily imagine it getting difficult for someone who is vegan or vegatarian, as going meatless for even just one meal can get me some weird looks and comments, even asking if I eat anymore just because someone sees me not eating it during one meal.

lol what?
This is the kind of stuff that is just fake as possible.

Want to know how it went when I lowered my meat intake?

- I am going to eat less meat

- Okay

- ...

- ...

And at work I usually eat my salad. NO ONE HAS EVER ARGUED ABOUT MY SALAD.

- Bon appetit

- Bon appetit

. people start to take in food to keep their bodies running

On the contrary I have been asked about my recipes. From people who eat meat. As in RED MEAT with LOTS of juice flowing out of it like the Nile has water.

Maybe this is a good thread to ask this: does anyone know how to get rid of the bitterness from green vegetables? To me, even green beans and peas have a taste that is comparable to licking batteries.

Have you tried: "Spices"?
Also general fun fact: Some peoples taste buds just don't like certain types of food.

I believe that every vegan is deeply disturbed, and tries to deny their inner animal by denying their craving for meat

What I personally really love is Vegan food which emulates meat and dairy products and is entirely made up of a big chemistry set which you can buy for your kid.
Its amazing. The ingredients are more complex than the ones for Sarine.

As a Chemist I can just adore it. So beautiful.

It probably only seems that way because you have greater access to news and current events. It's only about 2% of children that suffer from peanut allergies. Before the epipen was invented in the late 70s most people with serious food allergies probably just died young. Which would explain why you wouldn't have remembered seeing them.

Well almost no one is allergic to Gluten. Yet people act as if its the black death reincarnated.

Facts are generally of no importance.

You kinda begin to think you are being conspired against to the point of being ostracised and after a while you realize that's just what's happening

Or they just don't give a crap because its a crappy restaurant.

Its like me going to a restaurant that serves kosher (which effectively DO NOT EXIST in this country), then spot something non-kosher and think they want to..... the hell do I know what some people think in such a situation.

- raise your Problem over their faulty product which you ordered
- get the proper product which you ordered
- if they are being idiots about it you probably wouldn't want to eat there anyway

Remember: They want your money, if they don't want your money it is their loss not yours.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

They don't taste like that to me.

I suspect it may be genetic. I've read several studies saying there is a gene that causes greens to be intollerably bitter.

Canned or fresh? How do you prepare them? Dawn and I prepare green beans by boiling them down with a splash of olive oil, seasoned with garlic and black pepper.

Any way I've had them. In small amounts with plenty of other flavors I can tolerate them, but I don't even eat salads because lettuce is bitter nasty (at least lemons have a sweetness behind the tart), and I tend to rely on peppers and roots for my veggie servings. Actually, pretty much as long as it's not green or onion (but I like green onions fried with thin-sliced potatoes and ketchup, which is something else I don't care much for), it's ok to me.

In the OP you asked why people get annoyed by veganism? It's because vegans seem to think they have the moral high ground and push crap like this out at everyone who disagrees with them and eats meat, which I am specifically designed to do with these canine teeth. The fact that you've made a choice for you is meaningless to me. I believe that every vegan is deeply disturbed, and tries to deny their inner animal by denying their craving for meat, just like that most famous vegan, Adolph Hitler. There, now I'm going to go have a glass of $%^#ing milk! And I might fry an egg just for dirt!

I'd join you with a glass of milk, but anymore my digestive organs don't like milk. Doesn't stop me from eating yogurt or cheese though.

lol what?
This is the kind of stuff that is just fake as possible.

Nope. It happens. People around here typically eat meat with just about every meal, and the state of Indiana is one of the major pork producers and consumers in America. If there was a vegetarian Subway around, people would probably poke it with a stick trying to figure out what it is.

Also general fun fact: Some peoples taste buds just don't like certain types of food.

True. But between intolerable bitterness and textures and some flavors (but mostly textures) that make me gag, there's quite a bit that I don't eat.

 

[Jumi]

lol what?
This is the kind of stuff that is just fake as possible.

You just learned that in the real world experiences may or may not match your own.

Nope. It happens. People around here typically eat meat with just about every meal, and the state of Indiana is one of the major pork producers and consumers in America. If there was a vegetarian Subway around, people would probably poke it with a stick trying to figure out what it is.

Here just about everyone also eats meat every meal. I've lost count how many times I've had to explain I'm not vegan when I eat falalel instead of kebab or take peasoup without "the good parts" (meat). I say I'm not vegan and when they ask I say I don't care what you eat, but it still seems to bother them. Some meat eaters are bothered that I prefer horsemeat... kind of like the dogmeat festival in China, what does it matter what meat it is?

It's a bit worse with my wheat gluten-free diet, since I've "promoted it" a few times to people with similar symptoms that either stopped or became manageable since I changed my diet. People don't believe gluten or wheat sensitivity exists and tend to put it as a fad. And yes, hiding it in my food as a "joke". I don't notice it immediately, but when the itching and pain starts I'm pretty sure I've eaten it. Nothing quite like it I could get from something else. The follow up symptoms can last for up to a few weeks, so joking around not that appreciated.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Handy hint for vegans wishing to avoid victimisation:

Eat vegan sausages and pretend they are real ones.

 

[Iti oj]

I think people are threatened by it

 

[Jainarayan]

Maybe this is a good thread to ask this: does anyone know how to get rid of the bitterness from green vegetables? To me, even green beans and peas have a taste that is comparable to licking batteries.

Blanch them. A quick boil, then dunk in ice water to stop the cooking until you are ready to prepare them however you like.

 

[idav]

So here's one thing I've noticed since becoming a vegan:

Everyone hates your diet. And for no good reason.

I live with my dad and my grandparents and he was just in here berating me about how much I'm costing them in food. Well, I'm sorry but there are two things:

- I never asked for them to buy me food and I regularly buy all my 'special' vegan products myself.

- What cost? Veganism is a food reduction, my diet is high in fruit, vegetables, nuts, carbs and plant milks. Does that seriously cost more than a steak and cheese? No.

And to top it all off he asked me to try a cooked mushroom before he mentioned all this and didn't tell me it was cooked in butter, knowing I am a vegan.

Well great, how clever are you. Ugh. I am so annoyed. I am not telling other people what to eat, and my diet is up to me.

Seriously what is up with this? The minute you 'come out' as a vegan, people come down hard on you for it. Why is my diet anything to do with you? Why do you care??

And btw butter is effn disgusting.

IDK I'm not very picky I eat about anything edible even the fruits I'm slightly allergic to.

The only thing that really gets me is no bacon? That boggles the mind, the rest I can understand.

Someone I know just doesn't eat pork they get that a lot, mainly about bacon. I mean pickled pigs feet I understand, but I guess I never tried it.

 

[Quintessence]

I think people are threatened by it

Considering the human species was able to evolve larger brains due to the consumption of a lot of animal fat and protein, that does make some degree of sense. Over the long term, if the human species fails to take advantage of those high-energy food sources, those big brains it is so infatuated with will indeed be threatened, particularly once unsustainable industrial agriculture collapses.

(yes, I know that's probably not where you were going with that)

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Considering the human species was able to evolve larger brains due to the consumption of a lot of animal fat and protein, that does make some degree of sense. Over the long term, if the human species fails to take advantage of those high-energy food sources, those big brains it is so infatuated with will indeed be threatened, particularly once unsustainable industrial agriculture collapses.

When that happens, I think it's safe to say that more than our brains are going to be threatened. We may even experience a massive dying off for no other reason than so many today do not know how to acquire, produce, clean, or even cook their own food.