Oklahoma schools in revolt over Bible mandate

[Terrywoodenpic]

So do I.

It's not about exoneration.
Nor are they "equal".

That doesn't excuse the poor judgement
of equating USA with the likes of N Korea.

England has its corruption too.
Is it therefore equal to Nazi Germany
& Stalin's USSR?

It is not about equality or equality of sins.
Both north Korea and the USA are bad in very different ways..
However the Korean people are not intrinsically bad, they are essentially the same people that live in South Korea. However they are trapped in a diabolical dictatorship.

What might I ask is Americas excuse?

The UK certainly has it's faults but corruption does not stand out as one of them.
The same could be said for Nazi Germany, who otherwise had an unbelievable cocktail of criminal behaviours.
Stalin was one of the most brutal Dictators of modern times, and corruption seems to be a Russian national pass time, played out since the Tzars to the present day. With their political system seemingly based on it.

The USA has corruption written right through it legal, political, and corporate structures at the highest levels. None of which can seemingly function with out it.

 

[Argentbear]

If not for the efforts made to remove the bible over 40 years ago, it would not need to go through the courts again for the inclusion.

It didn't have academic merit in the past either

 

[Revoltingest]

It is not about equality
Both north Korea and the USA are bad in very different ways..
However the Korean people are not intrinsically bad, they are essentially the same people that live in South Korea. However they are trapped in a diabolical dictatorship.

What might I ask is Americas excuse?

Voters.

The UK certainly has it's faults but corruption does not stand out as one of them.

Biased much?

The same could be said for Nazi Germany, who had an unbelievable cocktail of criminal behaviours.

So has England.
Therefore they're equal.

 

[Pogo]

It wouldn't be teaching the "Trump" bible. It would be including the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the Pledge of Allegiance. The bibles to be utilized for the academic application, and for stated purposes include American precepts, and the translation to be utilized is one widespread and very common around the world. It makes sense to me, so long as they Are NOT allowed to teach it as a doctrine to be applied as a vehicle to proselytize and convert students to Christian precepts.

You have fallen for the fallacy, I went to about 8 schools before 1980 from east coast to west coast and none of them taught the Bible or had Bible posters, they did have posters of the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights etc on the walls. We learned about the Bible and its influence on western civilization in believe it or not "western civilization" classes along with European history and American history classes. We learned about the stories in it and other literature in English classes. This all still goes on today though from my childrens education, a lot more world religions and history is taught now so that people are not ignorant of other cultures.

What you seem to think is a good idea is going back an imaginary era that never was, or maybe you would like to go forward as has been done with the other revealed Abrahamic religion as is done in Afghanistan and Iran. Would you be happy if we pasted some historical US documents into the Koran and taught from that?

 

[Balthazzar]

You have fallen for the fallacy, I went to about 8 schools before 1980 from east coast to west coast and none of them taught the Bible or had Bible posters, they did have posters of the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights etc on the walls. We learned about the Bible and its influence on western civilization in believe it or not "western civilization" classes along with European history and American history classes. We learned about the stories in it and other literature in English classes. This all still goes on today though from my childrens education, a lot more world religions and history is taught now so that people are not ignorant of other cultures.

What you seem to think is a good idea is going back an imaginary era that never was, or maybe you would like to go forward as has been done with the other revealed Abrahamic religion as is done in Afghanistan and Iran. Would you be happy if we pasted some historical US documents into the Koran and taught from that?

I'm 53 years old and live in the bible belt

Do you know why the Caged Bird Sings?

The secular world is attempting to snuff us out, not just Christians.

 

[Balthazzar]

Have a listen to Gojira - Amazing inclusion and performance, in my opinion.

Pushing back for Liberte'.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Voters.

Biased much?

So has England.
Therefore they're equal.

The American voters are toothless and grossly misled, they would not recognise their situation if it bit them in the butt. There is nothing at all that they can do about the corruption of the supreme court.
Nor the presidency. The virtual corrupt stalemate of the houses prevents any likelihood of even the possiblity of change. The giving of personhood to the corporations ensures their power over the people everything is complete.

No indeed, Corruption is not one of UK's major concerns, of course it exists. But the law stamps on it very hard when it comes to light. And I is not endemic.
We are fortunate that no branch of the law is politicised in the UK. Neither the police the courts nor the supreme court. None of them is permitted to take part in any political activity or decision, either individually or in concert.

Since the disbandment of the British Empire. we have been in no position to engage in criminal behaviours as a nation.
England has not even got its own government and has not had one since the formation of the United Kingdom, and Northern Ireland. The other three nations do indeed have their own governments or assemblies in the case of NI.

Of recent years our military forces have been at the beck and call of the USA, A very regrettable situation. But they are now so small as to be useless for any major conflict.
If push came to shove they probably hold more loyalty to the King than to the government.
The oath we all take as service personnel is to the King , his heirs and successors. Before any mention of other authorities..

 

[Pogo]

I'm 53 years old and live in the bible belt

Do you know why the Caged Bird Sings?

The secular world is attempting to snuff us out, not just Christians.

This isn't about snuffing anyone out or whatever you thought that video represents, it is about those things you desired like understanding others and treating everybody equally.

 

[Balthazzar]

This isn't about snuffing anyone out or whatever you thought that video represents, it is about those things you desired like understanding others and treating everybody equally.

It's about the caged bird and why we sing.

 

[Revoltingest]

The American voters are toothless....

 

[Pogo]

It's about the caged bird and why we sing.

What cage are you in? Nobody is telling you you can't worship or have your own opinions, only that you and every other religion is subject to the constitution we all swear to support as American citizens. That constitution includes a provision that no religion has more power than another in the public sphere where we all coexist.

 

[Balthazzar]

What cage are you in? Nobody is telling you you can't worship or have your own opinions, only that you and every other religion is subject to the constitution we all swear to support as American citizens. That constitution includes a provision that no religion has more power than another in the public sphere where we all coexist.

Was that a play on Virgil?

The public sphere where all coexist?

I agree

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

What cage are you in? Nobody is telling you you can't worship or have your own opinions, only that you and every other religion is subject to the constitution we all swear to support as American citizens. That constitution includes a provision that no religion has more power than another in the public sphere where we all coexist.

Do you suppose that when the constitution was written that they thought for a single moment that the were giving equality of religion to the Moslems or the African religion of their slaves, it did not enter their tiny minds.

 

[Balthazzar]

Do you suppose that when the constitution was written that they thought for a single moment that the were giving equality of religion to the Moslems or the African religion of their slaves, it did not enter their tiny minds.

The question is: Will One be dived by itself and the two becoming as one, and to be divided again through itself as one (again) or will it revert back to 0 and none?

Freedom of religion

 

[Revoltingest]

Do you suppose that when the constitution was written that they thought for a single moment that the were giving equality of religion to the Moslems or the African religion of their slaves, it did not enter their tiny minds.

The Constitutions authors had "tiny minds".
Some has some severe bigotry towards USA.

 

[Wandering Monk]

The Constitutions authors had "tiny minds".
Some has some severe bigotry towards USA.

Let's not forget that women didn't have a vote until 1920. In most states in the colonial period, only white male landowners could vote.

 

[Revoltingest]

Let's not forget that women didn't have a vote until 1920. In most states in the colonial period, only white male landowners could vote.

Are you arguing they had "tiny minds"?
Could it be just Brits butt hurt over losing the colonies?

 

[Altfish]

I'm looking at it from the perspective of world government, from past to present, and how these affect today's cultures with a more secular aim and intent. There's no question that religion has played major roles in all the territories of the world, Christianity and Catholicism being the most dominate in our own, having greater influence than the many others. I don't know what is to be taught, how it is to be articulated, or the exact nature of the inclusion, but I presume is has academic merit, otherwise I don't see how we could ever get away with it in this nation after the last 40 plus years of political turmoil to have anything of its kind removed.

As I stated, I'm anticipating an interesting story.

Do you realise which religion invented/developed modern mathematics, algebra, astronomy. Ever wondered why the numbers we use are called Arabic Numbers. So your list of influential religions must include Muslim

 

[Balthazzar]

Do you realise which religion invented/developed modern mathematics, algebra, astronomy. Ever wondered why the numbers we use are called Arabic Numbers. So your list of influential religions must include Muslim

 

[Pogo]

Do you suppose that when the constitution was written that they thought for a single moment that the were giving equality of religion to the Moslems or the African religion of their slaves, it did not enter their tiny minds.

No, it was more a compromise to avoid all the religious wars that they had left behind in Europe and some of them were cognizant of Musselmen and their different religion.
As with many things, until it wasn't thought about in deeper context until there were enough exceptions and then the enlightenment concepts that led to the idea were expanded upon.

That is until this more recent Scotus that seems to think that we can only evaluate by the letter of the ancient law and not the spirit. How progressive of them.