Oligarchs for trump! Oligarchs for Biden! oops!!

[icehorse]

The summary of this article is that if either trump or biden wins, then the rest of us, and our planet will lose, and oligarchs will win:

The One-Choice Election

Seems like a spot on prediction to me.

 

[Mindmaster]

The summary of this article is that if either trump or biden wins, then the rest of us, and our planet will lose, and oligarchs will win:

The One-Choice Election

Seems like a spot on prediction to me.

The only difference is one group wants to make the money by taking it from each other (competition, Republicans) and one wants to make it by taking it from you (socialism, Democrats).

The only policy difference between Biden and Bernie is the level of theft they support, lol.

 

[sun rise]

The summary of this article is that if either trump or biden wins, then the rest of us, and our planet will lose, and oligarchs will win:

The One-Choice Election

Seems like a spot on prediction to me.

I don't agree. There's a vast difference between the Trump party and the Democratic party.

I do agree that there's vastly too much money buying votes in government, but either we have an evolution or a revolution. There are very very few revolutions that turn out well. I'll settle for a step back in the direction of ethics and morality and some moderately decent legislation.

I know how often the "perfect is the enemy of the good" to be swayed by arguments that it's not perfect.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

The only difference is one group wants to make the money by taking it from each other (competition, Republicans) and one wants to make it by taking it from you (socialism, Democrats).

The only policy difference between Biden and Bernie is the level of theft they support, lol.

Taxes aren't theft.

Republicans and Democrats make money through lobbying, which ultimately comes from the wealth of corporations who take advantage of politics for profit, which comes from us.

 

[esmith]

Taxes aren't theft.

Republicans and Democrats make money through lobbying, which ultimately comes from the wealth of corporations who take advantage of politics for profit, which comes from us.

Depends on what they do with our money doesn't it?

 

[Mindmaster]

Taxes aren't theft.

Republicans and Democrats make money through lobbying, which ultimately comes from the wealth of corporations who take advantage of politics for profit, which comes from us.

Taxes are theft. Someone else takes your money and decides how they want to spend it. (Being taken from you against your will is the definition of theft, lol) Now, mind you, there are just some things you gotta pitch in for or they just can't happen. (Large infrastructure projects, etc...) But, there is spending for that sort of thing that we'd all agree we need and then just taxing because they can. We all benefit from that type of spending as well as most of the defense expenditures, etc.

Politicians don't just make money from corporate donors, but also taking money from you (the taxpayer) and funnel it to companies that promise them things like board seats and investment stakes. Essentially, they use your tax money to make them stakeholders in private companies that wouldn't even give them the time of the day because they're not wealthy enough on paper.

 

[Nakosis]

The summary of this article is that if either trump or biden wins, then the rest of us, and our planet will lose, and oligarchs will win:

The One-Choice Election

Seems like a spot on prediction to me.

The hatred for Biden is impressive.
"Hate leads to suffering." - Yoda
Success in capitalism "I wrote a best-selling book. If you write a best-selling book, you can be a millionaire, too," - Bernie

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Depends on what they do with our money doesn't it?

Yes, and given we vote on our representatives indirectly, and directly vote on the local level, we have some say in what that is.

Taxes are theft. Someone else takes your money and decides how they want to spend it. (Being taken from you against your will is the definition of theft, lol) Now, mind you, there are just some things you gotta pitch in for or they just can't happen. (Large infrastructure projects, etc...) But, there is spending for that sort of thing that we'd all agree we need and then just taxing because they can. We all benefit from that type of spending as well as most of the defense expenditures, etc.

Theft requires the removal of something without your permission (as you stated). By participating in a Democratic society we have a say both indirectly through representation and indirectly at local levels.

Politicians don't just make money from corporate donors, but also taking money from you (the taxpayer) and funnel it to companies that promise them things like board seats and investment stakes. Essentially, they use your tax money to make them stakeholders in private companies that wouldn't even give them the time of the day because they're not wealthy enough on paper.

That is, of course, not how it's supposed to work and is illegal. THAT is theft. However, taxes are not meant to be used like that.

 

[Quintessence]

I find it important to remember the following about perceived superiority, whether it is in money or anything else.

Mind what you're standing on.

Superiority only exists when a foundation exists for you to stand on. That foundation will eventually and inevitably stop supporting you. They hold the real power, not you. Because without them, you don't have a platform to stand on. A wise leader is mindful of this. Fools are not. We live in a time of fools.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I find it important to remember the following about perceived superiority, whether it is in money or anything else.

Mind what you're standing on.

Superiority only exists when a foundation exists for you to stand on. That foundation will eventually and inevitably stop supporting you. They hold the real power, not you. Because without them, you don't have a platform to stand on. A wise leader is mindful of this. Fools are not. We live in a time of fools.

I am not certain that there is one particular time that was not the time of fools. Though some periods have been better than others.

 

[icehorse]

Guys,

The point isn't really about politician X or Y. The point is that ALL OF US need to remove oligarchy from our societies. The oligarchs are our common enemy.

 

[Quintessence]

I am not certain that there is one particular time that was not the time of fools. Though some periods have been better than others.

From what I understand, the United States actually did a pretty good job of putting systems into place that avoided excessive accumulation of wealth and the political power bias that came with that. Anti-trust laws, labor unions, and all that. However, all those protections have been eroded over the last few decades and that has allowed this great disparity to rear its head again. One political party has been somewhat more responsible for this than the other, but the other isn't exactly innocent on this either.

 

[Augustus]

The point is that ALL OF US need to remove oligarchy from our societies. The oligarchs are our common enemy.

What constitutes an oligarch in your opinion?

 

[icehorse]

What constitutes an oligarch in your opinion?

Really? Anyone who has accumulated great wealth without paying their fair share to maintain the commons. Does that suffice for now?

(The commons would include: good wages for their workers, support for all aspects of infrastructure - including education, safety, roads, environmental protections, and so on.)

Such people are parasites on society. Bezos and Gates, parasites. It's not their billions, it's their abuses of the system - legal or not.

 

[Revoltingest]

Such people are parasites on society. Bezos and Gates, parasites. It's not their billions, it's their abuses of the system - legal or not.

What is the income & tax situation of each?

 

[Mindmaster]

That is, of course, not how it's supposed to work and is illegal. THAT is theft. However, taxes are not meant to be used like that.

Yeah, they're not, but they often are. There are all sorts of sneaky ways around that too.

 

[icehorse]

What is the income & tax situation of each?

Why are you happy that some of your tax dollars go to support workers that billionaires don't pay enough?

 

[Revoltingest]

Why are you happy that some of your tax dollars go to support workers that billionaires don't pay enough?

No, no, no....I asked my question first.
Your claim deserves some support.
Then I'll be able to answer yours....or see if a question is begged.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Yeah, they're not, but they often are. There are all sorts of sneaky ways around that too.

Then let's reword and say "misuse of taxes is theft." I would agree with that.

 

[Nakosis]

Guys,

The point isn't really about politician X or Y. The point is that ALL OF US need to remove oligarchy from our societies. The oligarchs are our common enemy.

The problem is not the amount of money they have or even the amount they are taxed. The problem is the amount of control they have in our political system.