One God or many gods

[Soandso]

The oldest religion - Hinduism, it all started with Hinduism, oldest text, oldest culture.

What about the proto-indo European society? What about the Indus Valley civilization?

 

[DKU]

To people on RF who believe in many gods, why do you believe that and not in only one god?

To people on RF who believe in one god, why do you believe that and not in many gods?

If there are 2 or more god who created them did they create themself , some asks who created god , how much old he is , the ans is he was not created he created all of us and he created time and cosmos and the one who created time , we can’t say how much old he is ,He is ONE

 

[idea]

What about the proto-indo European society? What about the Indus Valley civilization?

I was going with oldest text, which is one clue for origin of languages, and also thinking of oldest recorded religion - you are correct for civilization, the IVC did encompass parts of India.

 

[idea]

There are actually different types and sizes of infinity. Not just One. But Many

What do you consider as the oldest text if not Rigveda - Wikipedia. ?

 

[Bear Wild]

What do you consider as the oldest text if not Rigveda - Wikipedia. ?

Nature itself

 

[Bear Wild]

What do you consider as the oldest text if not Rigveda - Wikipedia. ?

Let me rephrase that my answer. The oldest text is the land and its storylines. Much older than the Rigveda and is the oldest.

 

[Bear Wild]

If there are 2 or more god who created them did they create themself , some asks who created god , how much old he is , the ans is he was not created he created all of us and he created time and cosmos and the one who created time , we can’t say how much old he is ,He is ONE

All gods and goddesses were created there is not just the "one"

 

[The Hammer]

What do you consider as the oldest text if not Rigveda - Wikipedia. ?

I don't consider text the epitome of whether or not a culture or religion is important/old.

The oldest religions come from Nature itself.

And there are many older civilizations that had writings that we don't have, because they were on things like wood, skins, and cordage. Like Rongorongo.

Rongorongo - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

To people on RF who believe in many gods, why do you believe that and not in only one god?

To people on RF who believe in one god, why do you believe that and not in many gods?

And those as yet uncommitted might suspect that ...

... when God shaves, it chooses Occam's razor. ​

 

[Sargonski]

Polytheism is polytheism. The gods and goddesses are each complex representing a equally complex world., yet they have aspects that a person might identify with more. Thus, one might give an offering to one god or goddess that one wants to from a connection with based on your situation. But that does not make any god greater than another. There is no greater than deity.

Well ... Um .. "No greater than deity" -- ?? Yes - NO - Maybe - So ? no idea personally .. ahhhh .. take that back .. have some idea this is not so and certainly the Bible say this is not so .. the angels ..think of the Angels .. are they not divinities .. subordinate to the Most high ?

Expanding horizons beyond "The Book" -- and skipping over the other Holy Books ..Homeric jeandre being some of my favorite - and the tales of the Sumerians of course .. and out into the Universe itself I find some Gods are greater than others ..

at some point in such conversation - a definition of God is required .. otherwise .. will be on completely different pages of the Holy Book .. For Example -- if the Sun is defined as a God --- giver of light and life -- surely we can look out into the universe and find Sun's both more and less powerful than our wonderful Sun God.

Personal attributes ? yes "Like US" - "In Our IMage" .. Anthropomorphic Gods .. vs the Primordial Ooze Twins Chaos and Order .. Salty and Fresh Water .... separation of land an and Sea ?

Yes I suppose a raccoon is more personable than a Tree .. but both are living creatures are they not ? Who is to say the Primordial Ooze God is not more or less powerful than the more Personable Anthropomorphic Gods ..

 

[Bear Wild]

Well ... Um .. "No greater than deity" -- ?? Yes - NO - Maybe - So ? no idea personally .. ahhhh .. take that back .. have some idea this is not so and certainly the Bible say this is not so .. the angels ..think of the Angels .. are they not divinities .. subordinate to the Most high ?

Expanding horizons beyond "The Book" -- and skipping over the other Holy Books ..Homeric jeandre being some of my favorite - and the tales of the Sumerians of course .. and out into the Universe itself I find some Gods are greater than others ..

at some point in such conversation - a definition of God is required .. otherwise .. will be on completely different pages of the Holy Book .. For Example -- if the Sun is defined as a God --- giver of light and life -- surely we can look out into the universe and find Sun's both more and less powerful than our wonderful Sun God.

Personal attributes ? yes "Like US" - "In Our IMage" .. Anthropomorphic Gods .. vs the Primordial Ooze Twins Chaos and Order .. Salty and Fresh Water .... separation of land an and Sea ?

Yes I suppose a raccoon is more personable than a Tree .. but both are living creatures are they not ? Who is to say the Primordial Ooze God is not more or less powerful than the more Personable Anthropomorphic Gods ..

Interesting view but the trees that I know are friends with the raccoons and are equally personable. Appreciate the viewpoint. Defining gods is an approximation at best and it is just better to experience a god or goddess and leave the defining out.

 

[Bharat Jhunjhunwala]

No No -- there is not many infinities - There may be many universes in the multiverse .. but only one infinity

Both are true. There is one Infinite Psychic Cloud. I can perceive only so far. That is .My. Infinity. Infinity is both One and Many. Depends how far one can perceived.

 

[Bharat Jhunjhunwala]

Polytheism is polytheism. The gods and goddesses are each complex representing a equally complex world., yet they have aspects that a person might identify with more. Thus, one might give an offering to one god or goddess that one wants to from a connection with based on your situation. But that does not make any god greater than another. There is no greater than deity.

Polytheism is polytheism only if it denies One God above.

 

[Bharat Jhunjhunwala]

No proof. And I studied a **** ton of Hinduism in my undergraduate minoring in religion..

Hinduism is oldest if the Exodus took place from the Indus valley.

 

[The Hammer]

Hinduism is oldest if the Exodus took place from the Indus valley.

Well, Exodus certainly was a Jewish thing. But who knows, Indus Valley script is currently not decipherable?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

This is simply untrue

Ancient Babylon is true. The real people of ancient Babylon migrated away from ancient Babylon.
The people took with them their languages and their religious practices and ideas.
So, what is Not true? The people of ancient Babylon spread their religious thinking throughout the Earth.
This explains why we see so many similar or overlapping religious ideas in today's religious world including triads of gods.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Hinduism is oldest if the Exodus took place from the Indus valley.

True, Hinduism has ancient roots, and some say the religious ideas of the migrants to India were based on ancient Iranian and Babylonian teachings.
One common tread is the Hindu flood legend - Satapatha-Brahmana compared to Genesis 6:9- 8:22

 

[Bear Wild]

Polytheism is polytheism only if it denies One God above.

Oh good since there is absolutely no one god above the many then polytheism is polytheism. I feel better about what you are saying. I do not recognize angels the Abrahamic god is but equal and not above the other gods. Thanks.

 

[Bear Wild]

Hinduism is oldest if the Exodus took place from the Indus valley.

Hinduism has nothing to do with the exodus. why bring this up? And you can argue that all religions emanate from Africa. Abrahamic religions are much younger than the original origins of religion.

 

[Sargonski]

Both are true. There is one Infinite Psychic Cloud. I can perceive only so far. That is .My. Infinity. Infinity is both One and Many. Depends how far one can perceived.

Oh Stop === this is existential fallacyland --- as opposed to the desired fantasyland my friend. Once you are able to define that the existentialist fallacy .. then come talk to me about infinite reality .. your mission .. should you choose to accept it .. has the following Hint .. Row Row Row the boat .. gently down the stream ...........

Hint 2: From the Classic Tune "Barbi Girl" in a Barbi World .. When life is Plastic .. its fantastic .. you can touch my hair . .. and the rest is X rated .. to hot for PF.

Then my young apprentice .. once finished Mission one .. we can talk about my 4th year quantum chemistry class .. where we did them wonky wave equation calculations .. Particle in a box .. Heisenberg uncertainty .. and the wonky metaphysical state of reality.

"Depends how far one can perceive" humor --- to infinity and beyond !!!!!!!!!