Opening ceremony for Olympics has drag queens resembling the Last Supper

[Shadow Wolf]

Wrongly? Why? You haven't told me why you think I'm wrong, you just keep repeating that I'm wrong.



Yes. 1500s. I typically prefer art from the 18th and 19th century, but some of it goes back earlier than that.



Usually too early for my own personal taste, artistically speaking.

But the art of philosophy, what it captures, what it is, what it represents is that old.
Art is many things. To say all art is propaganda is to reek of a lack of art appreciation. My own projects regardless the medium and genre, frequently deal with horror. It's not propaganda but psychology.
Art therapy is anything but propaganda. A child making a picture of family isn't propaganda. The Treachery of Images is philosophy. Islamic art is basically geometry.

 

[I Am Hugh]

But the art of philosophy, what it captures, what it is, what it represents is that old.

The art of philosophy? I'm not sure why you bring that up. What is the art of philosophy? You mean like Socrates writings by Plato, in his work The Republic (Greek: Πολιτεία, translit. Politeia; Latin: De Republica) is a Socratic dialogue, authored by Plato around 375 BC? Yes, that's propaganda. I think you are seeing propaganda just as lies the other side says. We've defined propaganda as "information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view" Take out what I've emboldened. In other words, it can be used to mislead. Fox news is conservative propaganda. I'm conservative. CNN is liberal propaganda. There is nothing wrong with propaganda, but it can be used, by either side, to promote or publicize a particular cause or point of view. I'll say it again. Point of view. That is art.

Art is many things.

Art is many points of view. Propaganda is many points of view. Propaganda is many things. Not just the things you dislike. Not just true or false. Both.

To say all art is propaganda is to reek of a lack of art appreciation.

No. To say it isn't is.

My own projects regardless the medium and genre, frequently deal with horror. It's not propaganda but psychology.

It's a point of view.

Art therapy is anything but propaganda. A child making a picture of family isn't propaganda.

Yes, it is. It's a point of view.

The Treachery of Images is philosophy.

I don't even know what that means. Is it a point of view?

Islamic art is basically geometry.

Right. Propaganda. From Wikipedia, "Islamic art is a part of Islamic culture." A point of view.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The art of philosophy? I'm not sure why you bring that up. What is the art of philosophy? You mean like Socrates writings by Plato, in his work The Republic (Greek: Πολιτεία, translit. Politeia; Latin: De Republica) is a Socratic dialogue, authored by Plato around 375 BC? Yes, that's propaganda. I think you are seeing propaganda just as lies the other side says. We've defined propaganda as "information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view" Take out what I've emboldened. In other words, it can be used to mislead. Fox news is conservative propaganda. I'm conservative. CNN is liberal propaganda. There is nothing wrong with propaganda, but it can be used, by either side, to promote or publicize a particular cause or point of view. I'll say it again. Point of view. That is art.



Art is many points of view. Propaganda is many points of view. Propaganda is many things. Not just the things you dislike. Not just true or false. Both.



No. To say it isn't is.



It's a point of view.



Yes, it is. It's a point of view.



I don't even know what that means. Is it a point of view?



Right. Propaganda. From Wikipedia, "Islamic art is a part of Islamic culture." A point of view.

A point of view isn't propaganda.

Propaganda | Definition, History, Techniques, Examples, & Facts | Britannica

Propaganda, dissemination of information—facts, arguments, rumors, half-truths, or lies—to influence public opinion. Deliberateness and a relatively heavy emphasis on manipulation distinguish propaganda from casual conversation or the free and easy exchange of ideas. Learn more about propaganda...

www.britannica.com

propaganda

1. information, ideas, opinions, or images, often only giving one part of an…

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[Colt]

The extravagant opening ceremony of the 2024 Paris Olympics has caused fury among the populist and religious right in the United States and elsewhere, with critics especially unhappy about an apparent depiction of the Last Supper featuring drag performers.

Drag performance resembling Last Supper at Olympic opening ceremony rankles conservatives

Explained and apology made and I accept it.

MSN

 

[Nakosis]

The extravagant opening ceremony of the 2024 Paris Olympics has caused fury among the populist and religious right in the United States and elsewhere, with critics especially unhappy about an apparent depiction of the Last Supper featuring drag performers.

Drag performance resembling Last Supper at Olympic opening ceremony rankles conservatives

Either they weren't smart enough to understand the possible cultural implications or they didn't care. I wouldn't have been that hard to let people know beforehand there were no intentional parallels to Christianity's ideology.

And, Christians, who cares? They may complain and protest but it's not likely they'll go about rioting in the streets, like other religions might.

 

[SkepticThinker]

No, I'm sorry. My bad. I misunderstood the post. That's why I deleted my response. I agree with what you said.

No worries!

 

[I Am Hugh]

A point of view isn't propaganda.

Propaganda | Definition, History, Techniques, Examples, & Facts | Britannica

Propaganda, dissemination of information—facts, arguments, rumors, half-truths, or lies—to influence public opinion. Deliberateness and a relatively heavy emphasis on manipulation distinguish propaganda from casual conversation or the free and easy exchange of ideas. Learn more about propaganda...

www.britannica.com

propaganda

1. information, ideas, opinions, or images, often only giving one part of an…

dictionary.cambridge.org

Okay. We disagree, but I think that you're reading and defining with bias. Put simply, like I said earlier, you think propaganda is just stuff you disagree with. It doesn't even matter to you if it's true or not. Propaganda bad.

For example, from your first link, it says: "propaganda, dissemination of information—facts, arguments, rumours, half-truths, or lies—to influence public opinion. It is often conveyed through mass media."

From the second it says: "information, ideas, opinions, or images, often only giving one part of an argument, that are broadcast, published, or in some other way spread with the intention of influencing people's opinions:"

Notice it says often giving one part of an argument. That's exactly the way in which you define propaganda. One sided. Propaganda bad. It skewers your perspective. Truth becomes ideology. the reason you do that is that you have agendas, you become an ideologue, intolerant of other's ideas that disagree with yours. That's why ideologues always become their enemies, tyrants.

The same point I brought up earlier. Often doesn't mean always. And notice propaganda includes, not only rumors, half-truths, lies, but also can include information, facts, arguments, ideas, opinions or images.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Okay. We disagree, but I think that you're reading and defining with bias. Put simply, like I said earlier, you think propaganda is just stuff you disagree with. It doesn't even matter to you if it's true or not. Propaganda bad.

I know what propaganda is. I even linked it and you carry on with this nonsense and very wrong assumption about me.
Some art is propaganda. It is absurd to say all art is propaganda. It isn't. There is no intent to manioulate, decieve and sway public opinion through smoke and mirrors.
You sound like someoje erroneously going on about all education being indoctrination.

 

[I Am Hugh]

You sound like someoje erroneously going on about all education being indoctrination.

I am. Indoctrination is the process of teaching a person or group to accept a set of uncritical beliefs. You ever criticize a teacher?

 

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[Estro Felino]

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[sew.excited73]

The extravagant opening ceremony of the 2024 Paris Olympics has caused fury among the populist and religious right in the United States and elsewhere, with critics especially unhappy about an apparent depiction of the Last Supper featuring drag performers.

Drag performance resembling Last Supper at Olympic opening ceremony rankles conservatives

I have not read the whole thread as there are already too many messages, so apologise if this was already raised…

They KNEW EXACTLY what they were doing, and it was NO ACCIDENT that some people were offended.

It was not just the ‘last supper‘ either, there were lots of things if you know your bible and watch closely, one of them being a horseman of the Apocalypse.
Yes, you are right, they do try to give it a different ‘spin‘ for some of those symbols, but on others things they are showing they do not comment at all, such as the dancing enslaved gold-miners for example. They do not have a good spin for that, so they just let it go by, and if anyone asks what those bits mean, they will just say: ” they have no specific meaning, it’s just art”, which is an absolute lie!

How can I be so sure about that?

This is not the first time! They’ve done it many times before!
(And not just in the Olympics, they have certain ‘hidden themes’ in Eurovision too).

I will post just one example here, the Opening Ceremony from 2012… and then, once you have watched that, you tell me if you still think this was an ‘innocent coincidence‘. This is only a short clip, but if you watch the whole ceremony back from back then, you will notice many more ‘coincidences’.

Apparently (forgive me I don’t know the true source of my next statement, a friend just told me), Evil Must tell people about their plans before they can execute it… because once we have seen it and not done anything to object, that apparently equates to us giving them consent to go ahead.

WARNING: This could majorly affect your cognitive dissonance, so beware… your eyes might be opened to something you didn’t want to believe is real:

 

[sew.excited73]

Mark 8:18 “You have eyes, yet you do not see. You have ears, yet you do not truly listen.” comes to mind. (in a slightly different context though.)

 

[SkepticThinker]

I have not read the whole thread as there are already too many messages, so apologise if this was already raised…

They KNEW EXACTLY what they were doing, and it was NO ACCIDENT that some people were offended.

It was not just the ‘last supper‘ either, there were lots of things if you know your bible and watch closely, one of them being a horseman of the Apocalypse.
Yes, you are right, they do try to give it a different ‘spin‘ for some of those symbols, but on others things they are showing they do not comment at all, such as the dancing enslaved gold-miners for example. They do not have a good spin for that, so they just let it go by, and if anyone asks what those bits mean, they will just say: ” they have no specific meaning, it’s just art”, which is an absolute lie!

How can I be so sure about that?

This is not the first time! They’ve done it many times before!
(And not just in the Olympics, they have certain ‘hidden themes’ in Eurovision too).

I will post just one example here, the Opening Ceremony from 2012… and then, once you have watched that, you tell me if you still think this was an ‘innocent coincidence‘. This is only a short clip, but if you watch the whole ceremony back from back then, you will notice many more ‘coincidences’.

Apparently (forgive me I don’t know the true source of my next statement, a friend just told me), Evil Must tell people about their plans before they can execute it… because once we have seen it and not done anything to object, that apparently equates to us giving them consent to go ahead.

WARNING: This could majorly affect your cognitive dissonance, so beware… your eyes might be opened to something you didn’t want to believe is real:

Sounds like maybe you should have taken a quick read through the thread.

 

[sew.excited73]

Sounds like maybe you should have taken a quick read through the thread.

I did skim through, but as my first sentence pointed out, there was too much to go through already.
I apologise, if I went over old ground.

By the way, I wasn’t offended by it myself… I mean, each to their own.

But what I was put out by was the lie that they didn’t mean to ‘make a scene’ and that according to them it meant one thing (Bacchus etc.) and that very coincidentally at one point it had everyone lean over EXACTLY like the last supper in the Da Vinci painting. …And the same with a few other bits of symbolism.

I mean once is a coincidence, twice in the same show … still could be, 3 times is still Ok, but is starting to raise eyebrows, BUT if you see similar ‘coincidences’ in symbolism in multiple different Olympic opening and closing ceremonies AND then also add the Eurovision to it, well then it becomes a different beast (pun intended).

I was still naive until 2012-ish and couldn’t cope with my own cognitive dissonance until 2014 or so, so it is very understandable, it takes time to truly see it.

But anyway, don’t shoot the messenger, it’s just my humble opinion, if you don’t agree (yet) we can still be friends as far as I am concerned.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I did skim through, but as my first sentence pointed out, there was too much to go through already.
I apologise, if I went over old ground.

By the way, I wasn’t offended by it myself… I mean , each to their own. But what I was put out by was the lie that they didn’t mean to ‘make a scene’ that according to them meant one thing (Bacchus etc.) and very coincidental at one point had everyone lean over EXACTLY like the last supper in the Da Vinci painting. And the same with a few other bits of symbolism. I mean once is a coincidence, twice in the same show … still could be, 3 times is still Ok, but is starting to raise eyebrows, BUT if you see similar ‘coincidences’ in symbolism in multiple different Olympic opening and closing ceremonies AND then also add the Eurovision to it, then, you are either still naive (like I was until 2012-ish) or you can’t cope with your own cognitive dissonance yet, which understandable and takes time.
I think probably the latter for most. - but you know, that is just my humble opinion.

"Exactly" like the Last Supper? Is there a picture of it? Make sure it was from that event. What I saw of it never looked like the last supper so I had no idea what people were complaining about.

 

[sew.excited73]

"Exactly" like the Last Supper? Is there a picture of it? Make sure it was from that event. What I saw of it never looked like the last supper so I had no idea what people were complaining about.

I watched it live, sorry, I don’t have a recording, but it raised my eyebrow at the time and I was glad to find I had not been the only one who noticed even though it was only for a second or two, (but it was definitely there). It’s also telling that the Olympic Committee themselves removed it from YT so I can not go there and find the exact point now to show you!

I just wish people stopped focusing so much on just that one instance… to me, all the instances taken together over the various different occasions says more than any single confirmation/denial on any single incident in just one particular show does.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I watched it live, sorry, I don’t have a recording, but it raised my eyebrow at the time and I was glad to find I had not been the only one who noticed even though it was only for a second or two, (but it was definitely there). It’s also telling that the Olympic Committee themselves removed it from YT so I can not go there and find the exact point now to show you!

I just wish people stopped focusing so much on just that one instance… to me, all the instances taken together over the various different occasions says more than any single confirmation/denial on any single incident in just one particular show does.

As the saying goes, pictures or it did not happen. If this happened someone somewhere captured an image of it and put it up on the internet.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

. I wouldn't have been that hard to let people know beforehand there were no intentional parallels to Christianity's ideology.

How could it have been easy? How could they have predicted such outrage over it when there was nothing going on?