Opinion on Obama's Immigration Executive Action

[ShivaFan]

No this is Middle America and it is about HOW he did it much more than WHAT he did. This will become clear as more direct action moves furward.

But in regards to what he did, yes that WILL have consequences and he has screwed up big time to serve his own dog leash on these people.

The strained resources will spell out the canary in the coal mine.

The strained resources that will be impacted by this invasion will include the safety nets and welfare that deserve to go to our own citizens but will be robbed by these illiterates. The already problematic crime and gang issue will become ugly.

So we likely will also see, albeit in small numbers but a danger none the less, of the rise of National Socialist and Nationalist Communist movements as we are seeing in some parts of Europe demanding the safety net only for "our own" people and not "uncouth kulaks taking advantage of benevolence" out of "selfish refusal by the invaders to assimilate" and who "shakedown the system to entrench their own ghettos paved in gold" and college grants for themself and not others. By the way these same "kulaks" will join cadres attacking homosexuals, in addition they come from cultures awash in Fascism and corruption and will cheer on Fascism, participatte in corruption, and propagate both because they now depend on it.

There will be consequences at multiple levels.

 

[dust1n]

It's actually quite a clever turn around event for the Democrats. By allowing Repubs to flood into legislature at the last election, their allowing a populace already disenfranchised and ticked off at both parties to vent their angers back at the Repubs who have the majority and are going to expected to do something.

However, Repubs aren't going to do much on the national level, including repealing Obamacare, or making any serious mark on an issue to get people behind them, so the chances of 2016 presidential race being a Democratic victory seems to be well planned for, and it doesn't seem likely they'll be losing.

 

[Mister_T]

No this is Middle America and it is about HOW he did it much more than WHAT he did.

I see you ignored the link I provided. Executive Orders have been done MANY times by MANY Presidents, but don't let that get in the way of your hysteria.

 

[Riverwolf]

And if the left does it again next time we get a Republican in the White House, it will be wrong when they do it too. Just because one side does it, doesn't mean the other gets a green light for doing it too.

I know. It's why, though I'm well on the left side of the political spectrum, I don't follow politicians who claim to be on that side. I followed their lies once; no more.

It's not a game when we're talking about our livelihood and well being and nothing will ever get done in this country if people are just viewing as such.

Hey, don't look at me. Far as I can tell, it's the politicians who treat it far most like a game.

'Sides, I don't consider seriousness to be inherently in opposition to qualifying as a "game."

 

[Mister_T]

Hey, don't look at me. Far as I can tell, it's the politicians who treat it far most like a game.

Not really directed at you as much as I'm talking generally. Most of that applies to the politicians. They sit there and collect a check while the people pay for their game playing.

 

[Riverwolf]

Not really directed at you as much as I'm talking generally. Most of that applies to the politicians. They sit there and collect a check while the people pay for their game playing.

Ah. Misunderstood a bit, there.

Then we're pretty much in agreement.

 

[ShivaFan]

I don't think this will necessarily help the Democrats in 2016 at all, and this Obama move is all about Obama by Obama and very short sighted actually.

Black unemployment has never been worse than under Obama, especially for black males in their prime years of age, but what will happen now is this act will drive their unemployment even higher as these foreigners from South of the border now brazenly and legally take jobs away from them while their South of the border relatives back in the house collect and cash in on benefits and resources which further strain the resources, redirect educational efforts towards them as the "special people" while black citizens will be second in line and low priority to the gate crashers, in fact all programs will be impacted by this.

But what will happen, perhaps for the first time, you will start to see African Americans make the connection between their mounting problems and what Obama did.

We are already seeing outspoken black "pubic figures" raising strong objections to this in Los Angeles and it is spreading.

Many blacks under 30 years of age already have become open and hostile racists and hate the immigrant shop keepers who legally came, this will now be exaspereated by these gate crashers. Mark my words, this is part of the underlayer in Ferguson and St. Louis but obvious all over.

It is already obvious the rest of America objects to HOW Obama did this much more than what he did, and the majority are against it.

A few Democrats are already turning on it. The left simply doesn't understand the reality because the fact is, they are so old school in fixated mindset and how they containerize everything into their disproven pigeon holes that is why they didn't even see the results of the recent election coming.

What Obama did and how he did it isn't fixing what he broke, now there will be increasing problems as a result, in fact parties within the left itself will start to fracture off.

No, I find it laughable actually the delusion this checks mates a victory for the Democrats in 2016 - it's more the other way around and that will play out. So let's watch and see.

 

[Midnight Rain]

It's actually quite a clever turn around event for the Democrats. By allowing Repubs to flood into legislature at the last election, their allowing a populace already disenfranchised and ticked off at both parties to vent their angers back at the Repubs who have the majority and are going to expected to do something.

However, Repubs aren't going to do much on the national level, including repealing Obamacare, or making any serious mark on an issue to get people behind them, so the chances of 2016 presidential race being a Democratic victory seems to be well planned for, and it doesn't seem likely they'll be losing.

This is actually a theory I have heard. For example, here in NC we didn't vote fore Senate (which is another thing to consider is that we don't get an accurate judgement of the current American people with Senate races) this year but we had a slight swing to the republican side on the HOR election. I imagine this will swing back during the presidential election as this has been the case. We had republican swing 2006, dem swing 2008, rep swing 2010, dem swing 2012, rep swing 2014. It only stands to reason that there will be another swing back to dem in 2016. Each election year for Obama has been a pro-democrat year in terms of the back and forth swing. And for the next 2016 election we would also need the recumbent to win to remain at least 1/1 dem/rep as well as the vote for presidency.

 

[Willamena]

But in regards to what he did, yes that WILL have consequences and he has screwed up big time to serve his own dog leash on these people.

He could actually be serving his own conscience--it is possible. Perhaps he just wanted to get ONE meaningful campaign promise acted upon before he left office.

 

[ShivaFan]

... but it isn't amnesty. That's the other thing some are not understanding. It is a dog leash. Obama's dog leash to keep them as pets. He never intended to live up to anything said, it all means something else.

Again, back to immigration, I am like most Americans. I want it to be a fair system open to the entire world, not one where "special people" have an unfair advantage over others by just running in hordes over the Southern border. I want to highly secure Southern border specifically, not the Canadian border for example. Most Americans overwhelmingly want a talent based system open to all the world.

Yes I am a biased Repub-sudo libertarian ... I welcome more Indians, Russians, French etc... and a little known fact, there are a lot of conservatives in Haiti and smart too and I welcome them... but overall, this unfairness has to stop. Especially by an Imperial President. I am at the point where this Kaiserism has become so bad, we may have to rethink this a bit and channel those powers to the Governors instead.

 

[dust1n]

This is actually a theory I have heard. For example, here in NC we didn't vote fore Senate (which is another thing to consider is that we don't get an accurate judgement of the current American people with Senate races) this year but we had a slight swing to the republican side on the HOR election. I imagine this will swing back during the presidential election as this has been the case. We had republican swing 2006, dem swing 2008, rep swing 2010, dem swing 2012, rep swing 2014. It only stands to reason that there will be another swing back to dem in 2016. Each election year for Obama has been a pro-democrat year in terms of the back and forth swing. And for the next 2016 election we would also need the recumbent to win to remain at least 1/1 dem/rep as well as the vote for presidency.

You got it. Current GOP strategy: don't actually follow through with any of the insane promises given to their voters, lest political suicide on these issues. They will mostly focus on continued gerrymandering as much as they can and will attempt to institute as many voting restriction laws as possible. Next is to hope that the 2016 Democratic president stumbles unto some sort of foreign policy disaster in which case another demagog can whip the American amoralists into bombing yet more civilians somewhere in the world.

 

[Midnight Rain]

I think that the timing is due to the fact that the lost the Senate and therefore the only hope of getting anything passed through congress. He now knows that Congress is not just a stagnant epitome of sloth but now a motivated machine that will attempt to take their brief moment in the sun to dismantle everything they can. One thing they can't touch is his executive power. So that is his last and only resort.

Congress in general has not been willing to do much on both sides. No one compromises and no one gets anything done. That is frustrating to us and how frustrating must that be to Obama? Talk about the "will of the people"? The will of the people is to light a fire under congress or perhaps over all of congress and get things done. Obama is, at least, in a way following through with that.

There was a pretty terrible movie a few years ago "Take me home tonight". It had one really good line. "Take a shot. Even if you miss you at least get to hear the gun go off.". I think America needs to hear that gun go off and if we hit close to the target then all the better.

 

[MD]

This is unfair. I know so many people India, Canada, East Asia and the Middle East who are highly skilled professionals and had to go through HUGE loops to get jobs which are in underserved areas, only to be paid less and work more than their American counterparts. They literally put in blood, sweat and tears to make it to America, like so many legal immigrants. My uncle literally cried when he got his citizenship, not because he believes America is the land of God or something, but because he went through numerous obstacles to finally get where he was.

Maybe they should have just smuggled into America and worked there illegally, hoping some President would bail them out eventually.

 

[ShivaFan]

I am with you on that Shahz (hopefully I got the quote option to work, it hasn't been working on my cell phone whuch I am using)....

It isn't fair hordes from South of the border can just rush in and then strain and take up the already fragile and frankly crappy safety nets and welfare from our own citizens who really need it, what America wants is a talent based immigration system open to the entire world and not hijacked by one demographic that cuts rushing to the "counter" literally stampeding in effect over the bodies of others. Then you have Obama and ilk like typical Mugabe types using and putting the gate crashers who by the luck of God can pull off this stampede used and put on a leash to some political advantage over others.

I want the type of talent you describe. Not ti toot my own hirn, but I was given the opportunity to interview and hire such talent, totally unbiased, I hired a Pakistani and a great talent and human as well. I see great talent from Russia, India, and some joke about it but do not know what I know that RIGHT NOW there are estimated 2 MILLION French who are trying to flee the current socialist regime to come to US but they have almost no chance because millions of those from South of the border gate crashing in and then our own citizens who may have mental or depression or special education needs are trampled over and shoved to the back of the line as these South of the border types grab all the time, resources, money, attention by schools demanded by some agenda that uses them as voting blocks and voter fraud. America wants talent, from India, Iran, Russia, Jewish, on and on.

Not fair - we (i) will change it, and eventually the disaster Imperial Presidents such as Obama are creating will force a strong hand by Americans to.stop this disgusting Mugabe style crapola.

 

[esmith]

Maybe all those immigrants that went through the process of entering the US legally should ask for their money back since it isn't costing the illegals anything to become legal.

 

[Willamena]

... but it isn't amnesty.

As he said in his speech. So?

That's the other thing some are not understanding. It is a dog leash. Obama's dog leash to keep them as pets. He never intended to live up to anything said, it all means something else.

I don't know about dogs. Sorry.

Again, back to immigration, I am like most Americans. I want it to be a fair system open to the entire world, not one where "special people" have an unfair advantage over others by just running in hordes over the Southern border. I want to highly secure Southern border specifically, not the Canadian border for example. Most Americans overwhelmingly want a talent based system open to all the world.

Yes I am a biased Repub-sudo libertarian ... I welcome more Indians, Russians, French etc... and a little known fact, there are a lot of conservatives in Haiti and smart too and I welcome them... but overall, this unfairness has to stop. Especially by an Imperial President. I am at the point where this Kaiserism has become so bad, we may have to rethink this a bit and channel those powers to the Governors instead.

How is allowing people who have lived in the United States for at least 5 years to become citizens not a fair system?

(I genuinely hope this isn't just a bias against Mexicans.)

 

[Willamena]

Maybe all those immigrants that went through the process of entering the US legally should ask for their money back since it isn't costing the illegals anything to become legal.

What do you mean by there being no cost?

 

[esmith]

How is allowing people who have lived in the United States for at least 5 years to become citizens not a fair system?

This is a Nation of Laws. They broke those laws when they entered this country illegally. Fairness has nothing to do with it. If they want to live in this country legally, go through the same process that those that followed the law did. If they want to become citizens, leave the country and apply for legal entry into the country.

 

[Riverwolf]

This is a Nation of Laws. They broke those laws when they entered this country illegally. Fairness has nothing to do with it. If they want to live in this country legally, go through the same process that those that followed the law did. If they want to become citizens, leave the country and apply for legal entry into the country.

You have any idea what's going on in Mexico right now?

 

[esmith]

What do you mean by there being no cost?

What cost are they going to incur to become legal residents of this country.
Look what it cost to enter the US legally.
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