Opinion on Obama's Immigration Executive Action

[tytlyf]

What cost are they going to incur to become legal residents of this country.
Look what it cost to enter the US legally.
Application to Register Permanent Residence or Adjust Status | USCIS

I'm hearing it's a positive improvement on the economy to have people finally paying taxes instead of being paid under the table. This isn't citizenship.

 

[dust1n]

I never quite understood why people are shocked about the waves of immigrants coming from Mexico. Had NAFTA not been enacted at the behest of all the poor Mexican families, poverty wouldn't have increased, and along with it, millions of desperate people.

 

[tytlyf]

I love mexican ladies (used to date a tijuana beauty) and food. But we all need to remember that this doesn't only affect mexicans. Many different cultures are involved (Irish, Haitian, etc.)

 

[Willamena]

What cost are they going to incur to become legal residents of this country

The ones outlined in Obama's speech? D'uh?

 

[tytlyf]

The ones outlined in Obama's speech? D'uh?

I think a lot of these RW'rs are trained so well to just hate the sound of his voice/face and change the channel.

If Obama walked on water tomorrow the Fox headline would read "Obama unable to swim!"

 

[esmith]

I'm hearing it's a positive improvement on the economy to have people finally paying taxes instead of being paid under the table. This isn't citizenship.

Every here of the Income Tax Credit? Guess not, since you think that they will be paying Federal Income Tax

 

[ahamtatsat]

What makes anyone think our damaged economy can withstand such an onslaught? If this were Mexico - illegals get beaten, raped, jailed, killed, and deported. Over 6 months ago, Mexico had sent over 6,500 of those CA kids back home. We let them spend 5-8,000 $$$ to coyotes to get here - and many were NOT kids, but 20-30 yr old workers. Hmmm

Our constitution says only citizens get govt benefits. Our legal code states "aiding and abetting the hiring of illegal aliens" is a felony offense. There are valid reasons why NO other country in the world acts like the US on immigration. If we did something smart - more would be doing similar immigration policies. Fact? The US allows more immigration every year than the rest of the world combined. That doesn't include the illegal aliens, either. Law states to immigrate one must have a job (verified) and not be a drain on our taxes and govt. Sensible.

Congress does this because it works only for the rich people who want to break all unions, decrease wages and benefit payouts, and keep that money in their greedy psychopathic pockets.

 

[tytlyf]

Every here of the Income Tax Credit? Guess not, since you think that they will be paying Federal Income Tax

So you think mexicans don't work hard and can't make money. Got it. Is that more of the republican outreach to minorities? Keep in mind, the majority of people who qualify for the credit are white.

 

[esmith]

So you think mexicans don't work hard and can't make money. Got it. Is that more of the republican outreach to minorities? Keep in mind, the majority of people who qualify for the credit are white.

What???? Do you even know what the Earned Income Tax Credit is? I doubt it since you are making invalid assumptions. Let me give you an education.

What Is the Earned Income Tax Credit?
EITC Income Limits, Maximum Credit Amounts and Tax Law Updates
You will notice the following from the second link
2014 Tax Year
Earned Income and adjusted gross income (AGI) must each be less than:

• $46,997 ($52,427 married filing jointly) with three or more qualifying children
• $43,756 ($49,186 married filing jointly) with two qualifying children
• $38,511 ($43,941 married filing jointly) with one qualifying child
• $14,590 ($20,020 married filing jointly) with no qualifying children

By the way Mexican-Americans are not the only ethnic group that are illegal immigrants. And also "Mexicans" is a proper noun.

 

[JerryL]

I don't think this will necessarily help the Democrats in 2016 at all, and this Obama move is all about Obama by Obama and very short sighted actually.

I assume then you mean he considered it a moral imperative. Because you know he can't run for office again after this, and I doubt illegal residents will be offering him a cushy lobbying job.

Black unemployment has never been worse than under Obama,

I'm just gonna stop here because your words seem to be coming out of your butt.

The highest unemployment for blacks in the last 10 years was 2010. The highest in the last 40 years was 1983.

Graph: Unemployment Rate - Black or African American - FRED - St. Louis Fed

 

[JerryL]

This is a Nation of Laws. They broke those laws when they entered this country illegally. Fairness has nothing to do with it. If they want to live in this country legally, go through the same process that those that followed the law did. If they want to become citizens, leave the country and apply for legal entry into the country.

I disagree. This is a country founded, quite literally, on breaking the law (I give you the Boston Tea Party... and revolution against the King (assuming you don't want to get into the failure of the Puritans and Conquistadors to go through Native American immigration)).

The immigration laws are broken and no one has been willing to fix them.

 

[esmith]

I assume then you mean he considered it a moral imperative. Because you know he can't run for office again after this, and I doubt illegal residents will be offering him a cushy lobbying job.


I'm just gonna stop here because your words seem to be coming out of your butt.

The highest unemployment for blacks in the last 10 years was 2010. The highest in the last 40 years was 1983.

Graph: Unemployment Rate - Black or African American - FRED - St. Louis Fed

Yes, you are correct but you must compare overall unemployment to specific unemployment. However, your information does not indicate if this was U1,2,3,4,5, or 6 figures.
FYI

• U1 : Percentage of labor force unemployed 15 weeks or longer.

• U2 : Percentage of labor force who lost jobs or completed temporary work.

• U3 : Official unemployment rate per ILO definition.

• U4 : U3 + "discouraged workers", or those who have stopped looking for work because current economic conditions make them believe that no work is available for them.

• U5 : U4 + other "marginally attached workers", or "loosely attached workers", or those who "would like" and are able to work, but have not looked for work recently.

• U6 : U5 + Part time workers who want to work full time, but cannot due to economic reasons.

data can be found at
U6 Unemployment Rate | Portal Seven

FYI U1 unemployment 1980-2014

And the Big One The U6 figures.

 

[JerryL]

Yes, you are correct but you must compare overall unemployment to specific unemployment. However, your information does not indicate if this was U1,2,3,4,5, or 6 figures.
FYI
U1 : Percentage of labor force unemployed 15 weeks or longer.

Though interesting: U1 is of terribly dubious use when saying "unemployment". Under U1, if everyone in the world were fired tomorrow, there'd be little increase in unemployment (for 4 months).

But let's take a look at your graph and see if your implication is true (your literal claim appears true, under that terribly narrow definition and looking at 40 years and assuming that black unemployment followed that curve)

So the actual unemployment appeared under Bush. Obama, within his first year, had the U1 descending.

The implication that Obama was the cause is pretty clearly false.

Further: as of the end of the chart, it's lower than mid-Reagan.

 

[tytlyf]

What???? Do you even know what the Earned Income Tax Credit is? I doubt it since you are making invalid assumptions. Let me give you an education.

What Is the Earned Income Tax Credit?
EITC Income Limits, Maximum Credit Amounts and Tax Law Updates
You will notice the following from the second link
2014 Tax Year
Earned Income and adjusted gross income (AGI) must each be less than:

• $46,997 ($52,427 married filing jointly) with three or more qualifying children
• $43,756 ($49,186 married filing jointly) with two qualifying children
• $38,511 ($43,941 married filing jointly) with one qualifying child
• $14,590 ($20,020 married filing jointly) with no qualifying children

By the way Mexican-Americans are not the only ethnic group that are illegal immigrants. And also "Mexicans" is a proper noun.

So you're implying none of the people pay income tax?

 

[ShivaFan]

Some of these charts where they are using "Bush verse Obama" as some pivot are laughable because they assume it is a President who sets the trend on rise or fall of jobs in the millions, when in fact it is about the Congress and not the President.

When the Democrats took over Congress in 2007 I warned my associates that the economy will soon start to tank. I also advised what to do, how to move into bonds and other actions to save their ***, I saved my *** and many others, those who didn't listen lost big time. I warned what to do to be more secure in employment, some didn't listen and lost their job.

The economy started to come back after the Republicans took the House. And now, since then, that the Republicans have extended their control of the House to historic level just this month and now control the Senate with huge gains, we will quickly see more improvement, Keystone will set off the steep rise up and when Obama is shaken off the economy will be hugely prosperous for all and especially for black males in their 20s and 30s.

 

[esmith]

U6 Figures by Ethnicity

 

[esmith]

So you're implying none of the people pay income tax?

No, I'm implying that the majority will receive more back from Federal Income Tax than they pay in.

 

[metis]

The reality is that the Republicans simply cannot come up with any agreement within their own ranks so they have dodged the issue, and being given more time simply wouldn't change this. It's simply more politically expedient for them to do nothing and then blame Obama for everything and anything if he acts, which he of course did.

One of the reporters for CNN interviewed various Republicans who attended a meeting about a week ago and of course they blamed Obama for the immigration plan. However, when the reporter asked what they thought should be done, not a single one answered anything other than "we have to secure our borders", or words to that effect. When asked about deportation or a possible pathway to citizenship, each one dodged the question.

It's a hot potato for the Republicans, and they really don't want to touch this with a 10 foot pole.

 

[metis]

Since "hissy fit" was brought up in the OP, has anyone heard what the Republican leaders and many others of them in congress have been saying? And some are threatening to hold up legislation and confirmation just because of this, which should tell one that they are willing to hurt the country in order to make a political statement. Although does this really come as any surprise to anyone here?

 

[tytlyf]

No, I'm implying that the majority will receive more back from Federal Income Tax than they pay in.

Let's see. If you don't have children and make the maximum of $14,590 for the year. You qualify for a tax credit of $496. You're really going to tell me that someone who makes only $14,590 for the year will only pay $496 in taxes that year for that amount? I'm under the impression that typical taxes are around the 20% range for working. So someone who makes $14,590 per year will be taxed around $3000. $3000 paid into taxes minus $496 ?