For me original sins mean we are born to this “life” apart from God. It doesn’t mean we are not good. it means we are in separation from God. Sin basically means that one rejects God, or lives without God. And because of Adam and Eve, we are born to this separation. Luckily God has made it possible to get back in connection. That is why I think the “original sin” is not a problem.
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Original Sin
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For me original sins mean we are born to this “life” apart from God. It doesn’t mean we are not good. it means we are in separation from God. Sin basically means that one rejects God, or lives without God. And because of Adam and Eve, we are born to this separation. Luckily God has made it possible to get back in connection. That is why I think the “original sin” is not a problem.
TheBannerofHomuraAkemi
Active Member
I tend to take people at their word if they say their faith is Christianity so I don't get myself trapped in a no true scotsman fallacy.
Ebionite
Well-Known Member
The problem is the implicit endorsement of those who identify with the group while not sharing in the values or beliefs that define the group.
TheBannerofHomuraAkemi
Active Member
But thats just your interpretation and if you excluded those people from the discussion because of their interpretation could allow yourself to fall into a fallacy.
Ebionite
Well-Known Member
There's got to be some quality that defines the group, otherwise it's just artibtrary. Values and beliefs are typical of religions.
When their eyes were opened, they became gods. They had knowledge. Wisdom is not considered a bad thing except by those who have eyes but cannot see
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
Mormons made it a non-doctrine in 1830.
sooda
Veteran Member
IMO its hogwash.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Plus, there's nothing in the archaeological record that shows a large group of Judaic people sojourning there.
sooda
Veteran Member
Nada, zip, NOTHING.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
I disagree, and further, I think this deplorable "theology" has done more to harm people than possibly any other notion.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
They became "as one of us" (i.e. as gods), but not in every respect -- only with respect to their knowledge of good and evil. But hey, that's a good start.
Ayjaydee
Active Member
Nope, original sin simply means original ignorance or delusion which can be overcome by following the correct path
the idea in christianity is that you need a savior. i don't have a problem with having a teacher because the teacher is passing on their knowledge, until you become proficient enough to be a teacher yourself.
the christian savior idea doesn't really work that way. its a personality that is above original sin; although he too was born of a woman. it's really a screwed up idea.
Ayjaydee
Active Member
A teacher only passes on knowledge of HOW to look , not WHAT to look for. Until I see for myself I can never be sure the teacher is correct
uh huh. they teach self how to fish, or to draw water from the well. the fish and water are already there.
a person who won't show you how to look, seek, find, ask, is wanting to keep you in the dark. you can't profit from what you can't control. keep'em dumb, keep power.
john 4:14
Terry Sampson
Well-Known Member
If ignorance is bliss, you must be profoundly blissful.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
Regardless of what David said, Adam and Eve were mortal. Unlike God, they were still subject to aging, disease, injury and death. I'd say they were perhaps "gods in embryo."