Orphanage or gay parents

[connermt]

What makes this part of his argument so comical is the fact that it hasn't always been "this" way.

Remember, beliefs require no facts to exist. He can believe whatever he wants, even if it's wrong.

 

[work in progress]

I know people say that, but how can anyone that can add 2+2 without a calculator can believe that is beyond me.

It's been addressed, but I would just like to add that you should avoid using Rick Santorum as a source for good ideas.

 

[work in progress]

What, are they injecting him with hormonal chemicals and retroviruses?

I posted a link earlier that showed there is no difference in sexual orientation of adopted children raised by straight or gay parents; but these aren't issues where facts have any relevance.

 

[dyanaprajna2011]

you gotta admit that is was nice of him to warn everyone about the contents of his post...

Yeah, what a nice guy. More considerate than some.

 

[connermt]

I...Rick Santorum ...good ideas.

That's a true oxymoron if I've ever heard one

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

National Foster Care Youth Statistics


There are more than 500,000 children and youth in foster care in the U.S.; approximately 20,000 youth “age out” or emancipate from foster care each year.
100,000 foster youth live in California.
In California, 65% of youth leaving foster care do so without a place to live.
Up to 50% of former foster/probation youth become homeless within the first 18 months of emancipation.
Twenty seven percent (27%) of the homeless population spent time in foster care.
Fifty-eight percent (58%) of all young adults accessing federally funded youth shelters in 1997 had previously been in foster care.
Less than half of former foster youth are employed 2.5-4 years after leaving foster care, and only 38% have maintained employment for at least one year.
Youth in foster care are 44% less likely to graduate from high school and after emancipation, 40 – 50 percent never complete high school.
Girls in foster care are six times more likely to give birth before the age of 21 than the general population.
Sixty percent (60%) of women who emancipate from foster care become parents within 2.5-4 years after exiting care.
Parents with a history of foster care are almost twice as likely as parents with no such history to see their own children placed in foster care or become homeless.
National Foster Care Youth Statistics | On The Move

I think these Statistics makes it hard to desire one more kid in foster care.

 

[dyanaprajna2011]

National Foster Care Youth Statistics


There are more than 500,000 children and youth in foster care in the U.S.; approximately 20,000 youth “age out” or emancipate from foster care each year.
100,000 foster youth live in California.
In California, 65% of youth leaving foster care do so without a place to live.
Up to 50% of former foster/probation youth become homeless within the first 18 months of emancipation.
Twenty seven percent (27%) of the homeless population spent time in foster care.
Fifty-eight percent (58%) of all young adults accessing federally funded youth shelters in 1997 had previously been in foster care.
Less than half of former foster youth are employed 2.5-4 years after leaving foster care, and only 38% have maintained employment for at least one year.
Youth in foster care are 44% less likely to graduate from high school and after emancipation, 40 – 50 percent never complete high school.
Girls in foster care are six times more likely to give birth before the age of 21 than the general population.
Sixty percent (60%) of women who emancipate from foster care become parents within 2.5-4 years after exiting care.
Parents with a history of foster care are almost twice as likely as parents with no such history to see their own children placed in foster care or become homeless.
National Foster Care Youth Statistics | On The Move

I think these Statistics makes it hard to desire one more kid in foster care.

It's not just this, but alot of people don't realize how much these kids are abused, mentally, emotionally, physically, and sexually. It's greatly under-reported, and alot of times, a foster child's case worker won't even believe that abuse is happening, either that, or can't get anything done about it.

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

It's not just this, but alot of people don't realize how much these kids are abused, mentally, emotionally, physically, and sexually. It's greatly under-reported, and alot of times, a foster child's case worker won't even believe that abuse is happening, either that, or can't get anything done about it.

In most states case workers have huge case loads, it is hard to get the work done protecting kids.

 

[dyanaprajna2011]

In most states case workers have huge case loads, it is hard to get the work done protecting kids.

I won't argue that point, I agree with it. But that just further proves the point that homosexual couples should be allowed to adopt.

 

[nnmartin]

ok, a slight change in direction.

if two couples want to adopt, one same sex, the other hetero , but there is only one child available - who gets the kid?

let's assume both couples are the same in every other way except gender.

Now, I would say that the hetero couple should have first refusal because they are more normal.

any objections?

 

[dyanaprajna2011]

ok, a slight change in direction.

if two couples want to adopt, one same sex, the other hetero , but there is only one child available - who gets the kid?

let's assume both couples are the same in every other way except gender.

Now, I would say that the hetero couple should have first refusal because they are more normal.

any objections?

Yeah, I object to you implying that homosexual couples are "less normal".

 

[nnmartin]

pure semantics though.

let's just say 'less traditional' then

so do you object or not?

 

[dyanaprajna2011]

If they're exactly alike in every possible way, like religiously, financially, politically, where they live, etc, etc, every way, except that one couple is heterosexual and the other is homosexual, then no, I don't know who should get the child, and I won't just say it's the hetero couple because it's more "traditional". There should be other determining factors involved. I wouldn't know what kinds of factors, but simply giving the child to the hetero couple for that reason alone is nonsense.

 

[nnmartin]

so you don't think that a hetero couple is better than a homo couple?

surely mum and dad is better than mum and mum or dad and dad - doesn't Nature mean anything here?

 

[dyanaprajna2011]

so you don't think that a hetero couple is better than a homo couple?

surely mum and dad is better than mum and mum or dad and dad - doesn't Nature mean anything here?

1. All other things being equal other than their sexual orientation, both couple are equal. 2. Homosexuality occurs in nature, so I'm not sure what you mean by Nature.

 

[McBell]

so you don't think that a hetero couple is better than a homo couple?

Nope.
What makes a heterosexual couple better than a homosexual couple?
Especially when you flat out state in your scenario that they are identical couples other than their genitals?

surely mum and dad is better than mum and mum or dad and dad

Based on what?
And no, "The Natural Order" is nothing more than a big pile of self serving bull **** that you cannot even give a meaningful definition to.

- doesn't Nature mean anything here?

You tossed "nature" out the window when you said that both couples were equal other than their genitals.

Seems to me that you have some sort of "penis in vagina" envy...

 

[Gjallarhorn]

so you don't think that a hetero couple is better than a homo couple?

surely mum and dad is better than mum and mum or dad and dad - doesn't Nature mean anything here?

Homosexuality is pretty common in Nature, so your point is non-existent.

 

[nnmartin]

i think we've been down this avenue before and it turns into a cul-de-sac.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

i think we've been down this avenue before and it turns into a cul-de-sac.

Well I've been trying to get you to walk straight, but you always seem to backtrack or walk in circles.

Seems like a personal problem.

 

[McBell]

i think we've been down this avenue before and it turns into a cul-de-sac.

I disagree.
It is a complete dead end for your argument.

though I do find it most comical that you seem to think that your debunked "Natural Order" claim is some sort of ace in the hole.
Especially given that you are the one who debunked it.