Orphanage or gay parents

[Kerr]

so why did it create Man and Woman separately then?

why not just some form of asexual reproduction.

I dont think it actually intended to create anything, because I do not think nature has a mind, will or intent of any form. And to be picky, there are other forms of reproduction and even in our species it is not always as simple as "man" and "woman". There are those who are born with characteristics of both sexes, for example.

 

[connermt]

so why did it create Man and Woman separately then?

why not just some form of asexual reproduction.

In nature, things happen due to cause and effect, not intent.

 

[nnmartin]

that cannot be true because how would the sperm know that it needed to swim towards the egg?

It has been pre-programmed to do this.

 

[McBell]

that cannot be true because how would the sperm know that it needed to swim towards the egg?

It has been pre-programmed to do this.

Your ignorance of basic biology is showing.

 

[connermt]

that cannot be true because how would the sperm know that it needed to swim towards the egg?

It has been pre-programmed to do this.

It's not programmed. Not all sperm swim the same way/direction. High school biology is your friend!

 

[connermt]

Your ignorance of basic biology is showing.

It's just not biology.....

 

[Reverend Rick]

Let's try to get back on topic about adoption.

Let's say a family consists of mom, dad, son, and grandpa.

Mom dies. Would there be a problem with the remaining family raising a child?

Would the child be better off in an orphanage?

 

[nnmartin]

a different scenario here because the dad and grandpa are biologically related to a close degree with the boy.

the child would still be within his natural family so that is fine.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

It's not programmed. Not all sperm swim the same way/direction. High school biology is your friend!

Exactly.....:yes:

 

[Reverend Rick]

a different scenario here because the dad and grandpa are biologically related to a close degree with the boy.

the child would still be within his natural family so that is fine.

But a couple that had a man and a woman in the relationship that wants to adopt would not be his "natural family" and that is OK?

 

[connermt]

a different scenario here because the dad and grandpa are biologically related to a close degree with the boy.

the child would still be within his natural family so that is fine.

So you're real "beef" is about genetic relationship, not sexuality?
Nice to know that this is hiding behind your fear of gay people.

 

[nnmartin]

biology here trumps any orientation issues.

as an example - if there were a same-sex couple and one of the partners had a child already or with a surrogate then it would be fine for that couple to bring up the child as the father has a biological right here.

 

[connermt]

biology here trumps any orientation issues.

as an example - if there were a same-sex couple and one of the partners had a child already or with a surrogate then it would be fine for that couple to bring up the child - the father has a biological right here.

So I'm right: It's not about sexuality with you, but biology (of which you seem to understand less than very little).:yes:
So, a child shouldn't be removed from the home of their biological parent that's beating them daily and given to a man/woman family simply because the abusive parent is their biological parent.
Thanks for that clarification... (frightening!)

 

[nnmartin]

that is not what I said at all.

you are clearly putting words into my mouth here.

 

[connermt]

that is not what I said at all.

you are clearly putting words into my mouth here.

I'm clarifying your words since you can't do it yourself
You said "the dad and grandpa are biologically related to a close degree with the boy. the child would still be within his natural family so that is fine." and "biology here trumps any orientation issues."
I said, based upon that statement, and your other statments in the past, if a child has two options: staying with their abusive biological parents or being put in a male/female home with people they have no biological relation to, you would be ok with it.
If that's not the case, then you're a hypocrite.
Which is it?

 

[Falvlun]

I am saying that just because sheep have a high incidence of homosexuality it does not make it normal behaviour in mankind, in the same way that eating feces or babies would not be either.

now, is homosexuality a malfunction, a sacrifice to create an improved woman, an intended consequence or something else?

this is quite important to the debate as it could be the key to unlocking the door to the answer to the same sex marriage and adoption idea.

As long as the two people are functionally able to love each other and raise a child, I don't see how the cause, reason, or purpose of homosexuality is relevant to marriage or adoption.

 

[Me Myself]

I am saying that just because sheep have a high incidence of homosexuality it does not make it normal behaviour in mankind, in the same way that eating feces or babies would not be either.

Wearing a short on top of a blue jeen might not be nrmal behaviour. Doesn´t make it immoral though.

Being above avarage inteligence is (per definition) not normal. It doesn´t make inteligence immoral.

Being able to lick your elbow isn´t normal. Doesn´t make it immoral

Normality is a VERY BAD judge of morality or immorality, because in itself it has nothing to do with it.

 

[nnmartin]

I said, based upon that statement, and your other statments in the past, if a child has two options: staying with their abusive biological parents or being put in a male/female home with people they have no biological relation to, you would be ok with it.
If that's not the case, then you're a hypocrite.
Which is it?

if the abuse was serious, then yes - a home or foster care would be better for the child.

 

[Reverend Rick]

So it is OK for two men to raise a child so long as they are related? A father and an uncle or grandparent is fine?

What if the man who was the father became gay after his wife died?

Would it be OK for the child to be raised in the home then?

Would the child be better off in an orphanage?

 

[Dirty Penguin]

What if the man who was the father became gay after his wife died?

There's no such thing but I think I understand what you're getting at.

My wife's Grandfather was like that. He was married and had two boys and five girls. He later in his life revealed he was gay.