Parenting in the US

[Kathryn]

Unless we increase our immigration rate.
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Immigration contributes significantly to the U.S. population growth, and in 2022, it accounted for 81% of the country's population growth:

• 2021-2022: Immigration added over 1 million people to the U.S. population, while natural increase added 245,000.
  
  
  
• 2024-2054: Immigration accounts for about 70% of the population increase, while births account for the remaining 30%.
  
  
  
• After 2034: Net immigration accounts for all population growth.
  

Immigrants have a higher fertility rate than natives, which helps keep the U.S. fertility rate closer to the replacement level. In 2017, the total fertility rate for immigrants was 2.18 children per woman, compared to 1.76 for natives.


The U.S. population is aging rapidly, with the percentage of people over 65 increasing from 13% in 2011 to 17% in 2023. The U.S. fertility rate has also declined to 1.8 children per woman, which is below the replacement level of 2.1.

Oh well, I have four kids so there's that. And I am not yet part of the over 65 group and won't be for several more years.

 

[Kathryn]

Only if you are well off. For the poor SS is not taxed. Stupid people like me that set up a retirement account on top of SS will be paying tax on SS.

Seriously we live in a society and we have to pay for that privilege. The US government protects your wealth. Without their protection you could easily have nothing. So rather than complaining about the taxes that all of us who have done well have to pay you should be advocating for wise spending. And that does not mean cutting spending. There are areas where we need to continually invest to keep the country going. For example our infrastructure has not been maintained for decades. You profited from that, even if you do not realize it. Now that we have to invest in it again is not an excuse to pee and moan about the money that it will cost us.

I believe this varies by state.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I believe this varies by state.

That could be. I was speaking of federal taxes. I live in a state with no income tax. We do have a rather high sales tax.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Unless we increase our immigration rate.
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Immigration contributes significantly to the U.S. population growth, and in 2022, it accounted for 81% of the country's population growth:

• 2021-2022: Immigration added over 1 million people to the U.S. population, while natural increase added 245,000.
  
  
  
• 2024-2054: Immigration accounts for about 70% of the population increase, while births account for the remaining 30%.
  
  
  
• After 2034: Net immigration accounts for all population growth.
  

Immigrants have a higher fertility rate than natives, which helps keep the U.S. fertility rate closer to the replacement level. In 2017, the total fertility rate for immigrants was 2.18 children per woman, compared to 1.76 for natives.


The U.S. population is aging rapidly, with the percentage of people over 65 increasing from 13% in 2011 to 17% in 2023. The U.S. fertility rate has also declined to 1.8 children per woman, which is below the replacement level of 2.1.

But then America will turn brown!!

What is amazing is that the racist supporters of Trump do not realize how their own policies force us to hire people from other countries and they will become citizens as a result. I think that supporting American families is a good thing for everyone, but if you are a racist you can do it because it will slow the influx of non-white people who are much needed to do the jobs that Americans are not paid enough to do.


Hmm, maybe that is what we should do. Try to use people's racism to encourage them to do the right thing.

 

[Kathryn]

But then America will turn brown!!

What is amazing is that the racist supporters of Trump do not realize how their own policies force us to hire people from other countries and they will become citizens as a result. I think that supporting American families is a good thing for everyone, but if you are a racist you can do it because it will slow the influx of non-white people who are much needed to do the jobs that Americans are not paid enough to do.


Hmm, maybe that is what we should do. Try to use people's racism to encourage them to do the right thing.

Most Trump supporters I know are not racists. They are simply against ILLEGAL immigration. Not legal immigration. ILLEGAL only. Here's what I believe - I believe that any country should know who is in their country, and I also believe that the current way to become a citizen is too expensive and takes too long.

 

[Pogo]

You are on, Lets form a new party, Racists for Rational Progress.

 

[Kathryn]

You are on, Lets form a new party, Racists for Rational Progress.

I think a prerequisite for that is to be racist.

 

[Pogo]

I think a prerequisite for that is to be racist.

Some of us are better at understanding Dow Chemical's motto of Better Living Through Chemistry.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I pay taxes already. I just don't want to have to send them $7000 more. And it will be even more for 2024.

It sucks to have a large expense you didn't plan for, but when people get tax refunds, it means that they gave the government an interest-free loan for the better part of a year.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Aging populations and falling birth rates are the norm in most if not all industrialised countries.
With Japan probably the worst hit.
China with its vast population Is suffering much the same problem. With marriage rates falling even faster.

It may well be some sort of natural reaction to an over populated world.
Though it is easy enough to rationalise it differently.

Most countries would be far happier places with only half their populations.
However the capitalist model requires constant growth as does the American deficit.

Something has to give. And probably soon.

 

[Kathryn]

It sucks to have a large expense you didn't plan for, but when people get tax refunds, it means that they gave the government an interest-free loan for the better part of a year.

Oh I planned for it and am already planning for next year as well. 2024. Good times.

 

[We Never Know]

If you can simply decide to stay home, you are privileged.

So someone on welfare, who doesn't have to work, or pay rent, or pay utilities, gets free food, gets free medical and dental for themselves and their kids, etc, etc must be really priviedged in your view.

 

[Spice]

Yes, but even if I just had SS, it would be taxed as well. Ask me how I know.

How? Your SS "that" high? Congrats again.

 

[Spice]

Speaking of SS.

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Yep. I am aware. And yet it is fixable if done for the long range. Unfortunately we have too many Americans that are all about "me" instead of the legacy we leave behind.

 

[Spice]

I believe this varies by state.

SS is Federal.

 

[Kathryn]

How? Your SS "that" high? Congrats again.

No, but I live in a state that taxes SS. And I am a single woman with no kids at home. So I pay out the wazoo.

 

[Kathryn]

SS is Federal.

I realize that but that doesn't mean that every state treats the taxation exactly the same. Some states for instance, have NO income tax at all, some states tax SS and some don't, and they are all over the place rate wise, and cost of living wise in general.

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finance.yahoo.com

 

[Spice]

No, but I live in a state that taxes SS. And I am a single woman with no kids at home. So I pay out the wazoo.

Then you need to make an appointment with a CPA, because someone yanking your chain.

 

[Kathryn]

Oh, I'm sorry, they don't and I just realized that. They tax other things though. Anyway, I just wrote a check for nearly $7000 to the IRS after I had already been paying taxes and taxes and taxes. And I will pay more next year.

 

[Pogo]

Most countries would be far happier places with only half their populations.
However the capitalist model requires constant growth as does the American deficit.

Probably the most important part of this observation, we will need a new solution for the future because infinitely continued growth is not going to happen. What I don't know.