Father Heathen
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If you're familiar with Christ's teachings and examples, why do you forsake them by embracing conservative ideology instead?
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Pastor alarmed after Trump-loving congregants deride Jesus' teachings as 'weak'
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Yerda
Veteran Member
Precisely.
Not to mention the coordinated public health projects that transformed the lives of billions over the past century. All the kids not dead from scarlet fever and tuberculosis. All the lives lived fully without small pox and measles and mumbs and whooping cough et al.
If only coordinated government action could inoculate people against stupid. Mass literacy and universal comprehensive education haven't done the trick, sadly.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
What "wicked agenda"? I can show how the Republicans are guilty of that, I doubt if you can do the same for the Democrats.
It is one way of looking at it, I suppose.
It is necessary to point out and confront the disease, so get used to these threads. They are badly needed in these days of unbound excess from the alt-right, and probably will remain so for a decade or so at least.
By what I see, America is a socialist country, for example because the taxation level. However, perhaps better word for western countries is collectivist oligarchy. World leaders seem to follow the instructions in the book 1984.
Sorry, I don't see how. Please give one example of that.
The reason why it is not done is, then the leaders would not get as rich and powerful. But I believe it is possible that in charity world there could be people that don’t have everything. Especially politicians could be poor and miserable. I think it would still be better than what we now have, because also now we have poor people, but people just would not have to pay as much for nothing.
Ok, sorry, I should have been more accurate, people should not pay of things they don’t want and don’t use.
And socialism can’t fix anything. It makes only more poor people. Same is with politicians, they can make things only worse. It would be better for everyone, if all people would have right to decide what is done with their own money. It would also be more democratic, if people would have right to decide with their own money.
I live in Scandinavia. And i think especially Finland could be called tax hell. And I think it is wrong to think socialism leads to equality, it does not. It makes some people slaves of others.
The difference between a socialist and a Christian is, a socialists shares someone else's money, Christian shares his own money and doesn't demand others to pay. I think it is good, if people give freely what they have to others. But it is wrong to demand others to give what they have, for example because Jesus said, every worker deserves to have what he earned.
the laborer is worthy of his hire
Luke 10:7
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Cooperative groups out compete non-cooperative groups every time.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Why not?
There is so much that you do not seem to understand. Everyone benefits if everyone is more educated. Do you understand this?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
That is so false. But of course by your standards, you are a socialist. You want to use other people's money for yourself.
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
Unless you print or mint your own money and assign a value that everyone agrees on to it, that money is essentially Caesar's, or rather, Uncle Sam's.
If you live in a community, you benefit from public infrastructure and services like roads, public schools, and emergency services that taxes pay for. These belong to everyone, and everyone has a responsibility to them, increasingly as you earn more profit.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
He's not entirely wrong; look at how Trump used "The Big Lie," othered percieved enemies, and used doublespeak. Pretty Orwellian to me!
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Again and again and again-- it has NEVER WORKED! It's just pie-in-the-sky nonsense.
Secondly, it is not satisfactory from a Judeo-Christian viewpoint, especially because it puts money over people.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Why do you keep repeated falsehoods like with the above. You know next to nothing about socialism even though I posted you a non-partisan link to show its diversity and why every country in the world uses some forms of socialism mixed in with capitalism-- "mixed economies". Why did all of them do this? Because it's what works best as each country tailor makes it for their own conditions. Instead, you propose a "one size fits all approach" that is so illogical and unethical.
Maybe reread Jesus' "Parable of the Widow's Mite" and absorb what he was saying and why.
Even the most conservative republican understands that taxes have to be collected to pay for the nation to function. All civilized settlements for the last 4000 years required the population to pony up something to pay for the infrastructure that the civilization needs to function. If you are opposed to collective cooperation and funding is socialist and evil, then you are a free loader who wants roads, police, fire depts, schools, etc. for free. It used to be that such selfish and greedy people were shunned and thrown out for not pulling their weight.
That looks to be closer to your fellow conservatives than the stable functioning that liberals prefer. Conservatives have been cutting taxes for the wealthy for decades with the belief that wealth will trickle down. No, it's made the rich wealthier and the middle class shrinking. There is your oligarchy. If you want to reduce this trend, you had better vote blue.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Well, tell that to your fellow Finlanders as they chose this system out of being a democracy.
As for myself, I'm very familiar with the Swedish system as that's my heritage and I've spent a lot of time studying it:
Nordic model - Wikipedia
And like you Finns, they chose this in their democracy.
BTW, I'm a Yooper where there's lotsa Finns, and I've been at FinnFest events there that were held near where we lived.
SISU