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Pastor alarmed after Trump-loving congregants deride Jesus' teachings as 'weak'

metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
1213 said:
I care of other people, that is why I am against them being held as slaves with mandatory taxation.
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No, you don't no matter how many times you may repeat it, especially based on what history has shown us. Not only don't you believe we live in a society whereas mutual cooperation is a necessity, but you repeatedly elevate money over people. You can deny this all you want, but your repeated posts have made this abundantly clear.

So what else is there for me to say. :shrug:
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
1213 said:
Bible doesn't say it is ok to beat slaves.
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Exodus 21:20-21
20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.
1213 said:
In the land of taxation, I am forced to work, because I can for example live in a house, without paying taxes. And if I don't obey government, they can beat me and put me in a jail.
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You still have to work anywhere amd everywhere regardless because no one likes a freeloader.
1213 said:
That is not the same as saying taxation is ok.
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Yes, it is.
 
Father Heathen

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Shaul said:
Same as he would about conservatives and evangelicals. It seems his morals and yours differ.
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I don't identify as a Christian, so of course not. Most conservatives do, however. Yet as demonstrated, their values conflict with Christ's, dispite how they identify.
 
Shaul

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Yerda said:
Maybe if he was here he could convince Trump and his followers to release the hate from their hearts and love Mexicans, and Muslims, and the wokes.
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Maybe you should look after the beam in your own eye before suggesting there are flecks in someone else's.
 
Shaul

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Father Heathen said:
I don't identify as a Christian, so of course not. Most conservatives do, however. Yet as demonstrated, their values conflict with Christ's, dispite how they identify.
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Not all conservatives identify as Christians. I don't. That is just another example that you are biased and don't know what you are talking about.
 
Arthur Brain

Arthur Brain

Member
Ella S. said:
It's also worth noting that education is negatively correlated with religious affiliation.

More people are starting to agree with the academic consensus that theistic evolution is a pseudoscience and that there is no afterlife. These are sort of the last threads of refined, academic Christian philosophy, which has already been increasingly considering more and more of the Bible to be metaphorical.

Most of the educated Christians which remain tend to be pantheists, deists, and agnostics. Christianity has become more of a subculture than a religion for them, hence the term "Cultural Christians." As the Christian culture becomes more radical about its literal belief in an ongoing spiritual war, these non-believers are abandoning the mantle.

So I think you're right that the toxicity of modern Christian movements are driving people away from identifying as Christian, but I think it's important to keep in mind that this is rarely due to the toxicity causing people to question the coherency of their beliefs. More often, we're seeing marginal Christians silently distance themselves from a Christianity that has doubled-down on doctrines they don't believe in.

This has hardly any effect on radical strains of Christianity that promote, for instance, anti-intellectualism and fideism since they are predisposed against education.

That isn't to say that all remaining Christians are evangelical fundamentalists or anything, obviously. I just think there's a clear reason to the pattern of change we're seeing.
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Um, where do you get the concept that there's such a thing as "theistic evolution" as any sort of science? It's a term but it needs to be expanded upon. There's evolution for sure and plenty of theists accept the established and have no qualms with such and their own faith but that's hardly the same thing as 'pseudoscience'. I've known a coupla people who identify as Christians who teach evolution, one of whom was an assistant professor of biology so you're being rather ignorant and derogatory on this score. Science is entirely neutral on the existence of God or an afterlife so to claim otherwise is somewhat biased and irrelevant isn't it?

Your comments about 'educated Christians' et al just come across as utterly patronizing in honesty.
 
vulcanlogician

vulcanlogician

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Given Trump's opinions on John McCain as a POW, don't you think Trump would see it as even MORE WEAK that a person surrender himself to execution. I mean, if it's gonna be one or the other, in an example that Trump were to be transported back in time and given the job of a Roman executioner, I think he'd rather enjoy nailing Jesus to a cross.

I mean, if that were the situation, I'm sure Trump, as a Roman official, would enjoy crucifying all sorts of people. But I think he would take a special delight in nailing up Jesus. "What a loser!"

Folks have implied that the pastor making these claims might have an agenda. But that doesn't mean that what he is saying isn't spot on.
 
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