Pence says there’s no room in the GOP for ‘apologists for Putin’’.

[fantome profane]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/03/05/pence-putin-russia-apologists-gop-trump/

“Ask yourself, where would our friends in Eastern Europe be today if they were not in NATO? Where would Russian tanks be today if NATO had not expanded the borders of freedom?” he said. “There is no room in this party for apologists for Putin.”


Not pullin his punches anymore.

What do you think? Is Pence sensing that his former boss’s influence is slipping making it safe to take shots? Or does he just not care anymore?

 

[Orbit]

I’m glad he’s putting it out there.

 

[sun rise]

What do you think? Is Pence sensing that his former boss’s influence is slipping making it safe to take shots? Or does he just not care anymore?

At this point it's political death to say something nice about Putin. Even tucker is singing a different song right now.

I doubt it's anything more than political expediency.

 

[Sand Dancer]

I hope his constituents agree.

 

[Aštra’el]

I disagree. Not everyone in a political party thinks and behaves exactly alike- not on the left and not in the right- and a difference of opinion over the President of Russia does not disqualify one from Red or Blue.

 

[fantome profane]

At this point it's political death to say something nice about Putin.

Even for Trump himself?

 

[Shaul]

So, do you agree with Pence, as quoted in the article, that, “It’s no coincidence that Russia waited until 2022 to invade Ukraine,” Pence said. “Weakness arouses evil, and the magnitude of evil sweeping across Ukraine speaks volumes about this president[Biden].”?

 

[fantome profane]

So, do you agree with Pence, as quoted in the article, that, “It’s no coincidence that Russia waited until 2022 to invade Ukraine,” Pence said. “Weakness arouses evil, and the magnitude of evil sweeping across Ukraine speaks volumes about this president[Biden].”?

No, I think Putin was counting on Trump leaving NATO if he got a second term.

We know that Trump wanted to get the U.S. out of NATO and was just barely talked out of it. If he got a second term he very likely would have done it. And then when Putin invaded Ukraine Trump would have done absolutely nothing.

That what Putin was waiting for. It didn’t happen so he went ahead.

 

[F1fan]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/03/05/pence-putin-russia-apologists-gop-trump/

“Ask yourself, where would our friends in Eastern Europe be today if they were not in NATO? Where would Russian tanks be today if NATO had not expanded the borders of freedom?” he said. “There is no room in this party for apologists for Putin.”


Not pullin his punches anymore.

What do you think? Is Pence sensing that his former boss’s influence is slipping making it safe to take shots? Or does he just not care anymore?

When even the FOX news pundits stop siding with Putin then it's safe. trump has to reel in his support for Putin as well.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

At this point it's political death to say something nice about Putin. Even tucker is singing a different song right now.

what I got from the tucker clips I watched, is not that he liked putin, but that we should be careful not to get into a nuclear war. I'm only 35, you know, and I still got stuff I want to do.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

So, do you agree with Pence, as quoted in the article, that, “It’s no coincidence that Russia waited until 2022 to invade Ukraine,” Pence said. “Weakness arouses evil, and the magnitude of evil sweeping across Ukraine speaks volumes about this president[Biden].”?

I think all this language about 'strength' and 'weakness' is extremely weird, bordering even on the science-fictionesque. There nothing about owning mara-lago, and the material fortitude that this supposedly projects, or talking big, that prevents some geopolitical move on the other side of the earth. Unless, you think that such things actually project a metaphysical fortitude that somehow does influence geopolitics.

 

[Shaul]

I think all this language about 'strength' and 'weakness' is extremely weird, bordering even on the science fiction level.

That’s Pence’s assessment. Someone who has great knowledge on the subject. If you dismiss his opinion about the weakness of the Biden Administration then you should also dismiss his comments on the apologists too.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

That’s Pence’s assessment. Someone who has great knowledge on the subject. If you dismiss his opinion about the weakness of the Biden Administration then you should also dismiss his comments on the apologists too.

I'm just saying that this language about 'strength' and 'weakness' has been around for a while now, generally. I don't know exactly what it is grounded in.

 

[fantome profane]

That’s Pence’s assessment. Someone who has great knowledge on the subject. If you dismiss his opinion about the weakness of the Biden Administration then you should also dismiss his comments on the apologists too.

But just the fact that he is saying it is interesting. What does the fact that Pence feels safe to say this indicate about where the GOP is? What does it say about Pence’s future? What does it say about the future of Trump and Trumpism?


No one is attempting to “proof text” with a quote from Mike Pence.

 

[sun rise]

That’s Pence’s assessment. Someone who has great knowledge on the subject. If you dismiss his opinion about the weakness of the Biden Administration then you should also dismiss his comments on the apologists too.

That is refuted by how Biden is masterfully handling Ukraine. Afghanistan was a mess and that belongs in Biden's lap but the implication of utter weakness is not correct.

By the way, I never saw a Trump supporter on RF or elsewhere ever admit that ANYTHING he did was wrong.

 

[RestlessSoul]

I'm just saying that this language about 'strength' and 'weakness' has been around for a while now, generally. I don't know exactly what it is grounded in.

I suspect it’s grounded in men with huge egos and very small penises. Men like these…

 

[lukethethird]

No, I think Putin was counting on Trump leaving NATO if he got a second term.

We know that Trump wanted to get the U.S. out of NATO and was just barely talked out of it. If he got a second term he very likely would have done it. And then when Putin invaded Ukraine Trump would have done absolutely nothing.

That what Putin was waiting for. It didn’t happen so he went ahead.

If the US got out of NATO Putin would have had no reason to invade Ukraine.

 

[Mock Turtle]

I suspect it’s grounded in men with huge egos and very small penises. Men like these…

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[Guitar's Cry]

That’s Pence’s assessment. Someone who has great knowledge on the subject. If you dismiss his opinion about the weakness of the Biden Administration then you should also dismiss his comments on the apologists too.

He is also someone with great political ambitions, which goes a long way to explaining the comments.

 

[fantome profane]

If the US got out of NATO Putin would have had no reason to invade Ukraine.

Nonsense. Putin has wanted to do this ever since the fall if the Soviet Union.