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People's Temple

The Sum of Awe

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Usually I find myself searching almost seemingly random topics daily, ranging from the Crusades and earlier wars with muskets, Plato's unfinished Critias, Antarctica, the evolution of spiders, etc. those are a few examples I can see in my recent internet history.

But this past entire week I've been interested in the People's Temple and Jonestown, having watched 3 entire documentaries on it and reading articles written by Stephan Jones (Jim Jones' biological son which is still alive today) and to me it's just fascinating how one man had talked people into killing themselves (except for a handful of survivors of course).

While it is tragic, especially for those survivors having lost nearly entire families due to this incident, it's at the same time fascinating. Jim Jones, a drug-abusing psycho, could do all of this, and it was mostly on his own, those that helped him were his followers, he convinced them to help them. He brainwashed 913 people into killing themselves. It's almost unbelievable, but as I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I will not deny that it did.

And honestly I'm quite surprised that there hasn't been people that had tried to revive this religion, while if someone tried I'd see them as really ridiculous, I'm surprised that nobody has.

Why? Because today, in this messed up world, it's hard to find organizations, even the most wicked ones, that people do not try to revive. I've even seen some self proclaimed Aztec revivalists, on Google it's not hard to find websites that talk about reviving Sumerian polytheism, and everyone knows there are people who are walking around calling themselves Neo-Nazi's and are fond of Hitler's work in Germany. Hell, on yahoo answers, I can recall meeting a person saying the Berlin Wall was a good thing. But yet, there hasn't been a single person who came on the internet and listed their religion as "People's Temple"

To be honest, I would've seen People's Temple to have an easy chance at resurrecting, its sole basis was of Socialism, which is a very popular philosophy in modern times.

Again, not saying it SHOULD be revived, just saying that to me, it's surprising nobody has been crazy enough to try to call themselves a member of that religion or trying to bring the religion back, not even small evidence of a troll saying that they are trying to. To me, that's no where near as crazy as, like I said, Aztec revivalism, and if I remember correctly, I met this "aztec revivalist" on THESE forums (though they were inactive at the time I encountered them).


And another thing, the main thing actually, that I wanted to discuss: It wasn't too long ago that the events of People's Temple took place. Was anyone here alive during those times and have heard about it? What did you think about it before the mass murder-suicice? Did you know it was crazy from the start, perhaps some ideas of the Temple caught your interest? Perhaps, even, someone here was effected by it?
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
The sad thing about the People's Temple is that it had good intentions in the beginning. It was anti-racist and communist. It was very progressive for its time. It's horrible how it ended up. :(
 

The Sum of Awe

Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
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Premium Member
The sad thing about the People's Temple is that it had good intentions in the beginning. It was anti-racist and communist. It was very progressive for its time. It's horrible how it ended up. :(

Eh, communism usually has a bad name from the start, considering how most communist movements end up.
 

nazz

Doubting Thomas
And another thing, the main thing actually, that I wanted to discuss: It wasn't too long ago that the events of People's Temple took place. Was anyone here alive during those times and have heard about it? What did you think about it before the mass murder-suicice? Did you know it was crazy from the start, perhaps some ideas of the Temple caught your interest? Perhaps, even, someone here was effected by it?

I was alive when it all went down. But I never heard of it until the tragedy.

BTW, I share your passion for researching the odd and obscure.
 

Amechania

Daimona of the Helpless
But I never heard of it until the tragedy.

Well thats it. We'll not know about the next one until something horrible happens. I don't think anyone is necessarily trying to revive People's Temple but I wouldn't be surprised to see something like Westboro Baptist go from bad to worse. I was 12 when the Waco siege happened and I deeply troubled me. That was when I first learned of Jonestown, and first realized how the road to hell can be paved with good intentions.
 

Saint Frankenstein

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Premium Member
Eh, communism usually has a bad name from the start, considering how most communist movements end up.

You mean Marxist-Leninist movements and its offshoots in Stalinism, Maoism and all the rest. Those people tend to be nutters and just as bad as fascists (there's actually not much difference between the two and fascism itself is an offshoot of authoritarian socialism; Mussolini started out as a socialist and the NSDAP had many socialist elements, especially in the beginning). But there's many different varieties of communist thought, as well as socialist thought. I'm a Christian socialist with communist and anarchist tendencies and I abhor authoritarianism.
 
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nazz

Doubting Thomas
You mean Marxist-Leninist movements and its offshoots in Stalinism, Maoism and all the rest. Those people tend to be nutters and just as bad as fascists (there's actually not much difference between the two and fascism itself is an offshoot of authoritarian socialism; Mussolini started out as a socialist and the NSDAP had many socialist elements, especially in the beginning). But there's many different varieties of communist thought, as well as socialist thought. I'm a Christian socialist with communist and anarchist tendencies and I abhor authoritarianism.

I wondered about that red and black flag ;) Hadn't seen one with a cross before.

You and I are probably pretty close in our political beliefs. "Left libertarian" is how I come out on the scale.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2

http://www.politicalcompass.org/test
 
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Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
I wondered about that red and black flag ;) Hadn't seen one with a cross before.

You and I are probably pretty close in our political beliefs. "Left libertarian" is how I come out on the scale.

Political Compass - Analysis

The Political Compass - Test

I just found it on Google by searching "Christian anarchism" or something like that. There's also sickle and hammer designs that incorporate a cross into them, for Christian communism.

I don't really like that test. I've taken it so many times and I don't think it's very good. But this is what I got this time: Political Compass Printable Graph
 

The Sum of Awe

Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
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Premium Member
More of a Capitalist (Rand-style, not Crony) myself, but hey, I'm accepting ;)
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
A bit further to the left and toward the bottom than me ;)

LOL. I noticed! It makes me seem like an extremist or a revolutionary. :eek:

Even when I was trying to be more of an authoritarian, I always ended up getting the leftist libertarian results from that quiz. Lol.
 
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