PETA: are you for them or against them?

[ninerbuff]

Me, I despise them for most of their over the top antics. Throwing paint on someone's fur coat because they are against fur is hostile in my opinion. Or blowing up labs because of animal testing, where these tests are needed to ensure that safety of human uses of medicine or products for human consumption.

Thoughts?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Me, I despise them for most of their over the top antics. Throwing paint on someone's fur coat because they are against fur is hostile in my opinion. Or blowing up labs because of animal testing, where these tests are needed to ensure that safety of human uses of medicine or products for human consumption.

Thoughts?

Has PETA actually "blown up labs"?

My opinion of them is that any organization that would come up with ideas like this is so useless that it's irrelevant:

Attention, Mazda owners: There's this MX-2 Spider version, and then there's the spiders who are thought to be living in some of the 65,000 Mazda6s that were recalled last week because a certain gas-loving arachnid likes to build webs in the cars' emission systems. The presence of the spiders can cause gas leaks and fires. And here's something that you may not know: If you're suffering from arachnophobia, PETA will be more than happy to help you out … by accepting your donated vehicle for use in animal rescue work! A PETA member who was deathly afraid of mice once donated her brand-new Jeep to PETA after a mouse popped out from beneath the glove box. PETA gladly accepted both the Jeep and the mouse and will do the same for your Mazda6. And for the spiders who call it home, we'll also do our best to get them out safely and find them new homes.

Solve Your Spider Problems! | PETA.org

Although... one of the commenters on that article makes a good point:

holy crap this is the cleverest thing you've ever done! even if one person is dumb enough to do it, then you're on top.

Edit:

In the end, I think I agree with this commenter:

Oh, Peta. How you could actually be doing things worthwhile instead of suggesting ridiculous donations for more press/media coverage. I would be embarrassed if I were a member of your rather lackluster organization. Instead of coming up with this nonsense, why are you not helping out where it is needed (the gulf oil disaster, abandoned pets due to economy, etc?)

 

[Gaura Priya]

I do like how the advertise women to strip themselves in public in protest to animal rights...

 

[ninerbuff]

Has PETA actually "blown up labs"?

Well let's say that there is no evidence to prove they hire anyone to do it, but money has been given by PETA to support animal rights organizations that do. ALF has received financial support from PETA and ALF has committed many arsons and bombings of animal labs.

 

[Jacksnyte]

Me, I despise them for most of their over the top antics. Throwing paint on someone's fur coat because they are against fur is hostile in my opinion. Or blowing up labs because of animal testing, where these tests are needed to ensure that safety of human uses of medicine or products for human consumption.

Thoughts?

I support them as far as their opposition of inhumane conditions for animals on corporate farms, and in slaughterhouses. Other than that, I think that they are too reactionary in their actions, and they don't seem to think things through well enough to be very effective at all!

 

[Revoltingest]

People Eating Tasty Animals...what's not to like?

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

Me, I despise them for most of their over the top antics. Throwing paint on someone's fur coat because they are against fur is hostile in my opinion. Or blowing up labs because of animal testing, where these tests are needed to ensure that safety of human uses of medicine or products for human consumption.

Thoughts?

You are going to have to provide more facts about Peta for me to believe they support Terrorism.

Here is what I think:

-Peta goes way over the top like when they distributed "unhappy meals" to children with a bloody knife holding clown to young kids.

-Peta have thrown things like dead raccoons on people they don't like. I see this as not helpful in any way.

-Peta has also made may helpful changes in the meat industry. They have gotten McDonalds to change there practices in some very good ways. Even folks in the meat industry have said that they have made deals with pita. So they are effective.

-When you compare Peta and there sworn enemy the Meat Industry They seem much more reasonable and kind.

-I would not give Peta money because I could not support many of their actions.

 

[fallingblood]

Pamela Anderson. So yeah, I'm against them.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Their tactics are generally useless, and they help to strengthen the connection between being for animal rights and being a nutjob.

 

[Valjean]

You're thinking of the ALF, Ninerbuff, not PETA.

Which animal rights groups do you prefer?

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

Temple Grandin who has designed more then 1/2 the cow slaughter houses in America has said she has seen more improvement in the year Peta went after McDonalds then the 30 years before. Temple Grandin is no friend of Peta she has no axe to grind for them.

 

[Madhuri]

I don't know enough about that organisation to make a judgement.

But what I will say is that when people push for change they generally get a bit radical. Revolutions or great social changes don't just happen through no action or reasonable discussions. You have to make an impact, most of the time.

If somebody believes in something strongly, I don't see a problem if they take some radical actions, as long as it isn't too extreme (to harm people, animals, the environment etc).

 

[bobhikes]

To over the top.

 

[ninerbuff]

You're thinking of the ALF, Ninerbuff, not PETA.

Which animal rights groups do you prefer?

PETA gives money to ALF. If they were totally against everything ALF does, then they would not give them a dime.

[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica][FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]PETA has given tens of thousands of dollars to convicted arsonists and other violent criminals. This includes a 2001 donation of $1,500 to the North American Earth Liberation Front (ELF), an FBI-certified “domestic terrorist” group responsible for dozens of firebombs and death threats. During the 1990s, PETA paid $70,200 to an Animal Liberation Front (ALF) activist convicted of burning down a Michigan State University research laboratory. In his sentencing recommendation, a federal prosecutor implicated PETA president Ingrid Newkirk in that crime. And PETA vegetarian campaign coordinator Bruce Friedrich told an animal rights convention in 2001 that “blowing stuff up and smashing windows” is “a great way to bring about animal liberation.” [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]"We did it, we did it. We gave $1,500 to the ELF for a specific program," PETA's Lisa Lange admitted on the Fox News Channel. PETA has offered no fewer than eight different explanations of what the "specific program" was, but law enforcement leaders have noted that since the Earth Liberation Front is a criminal enterprise, it has absolutely no legal "programs" of any kind. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]In 2003, ELF set fire to an unfinished, 200 unit condominium complex near San Diego. The arson caused $50 million in damage, and according to a San Diego Fire Captain: "It could have killed someone."[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]ELF left its calling card in the form of a twelve foot sign that read: "If you build it -- we will burn it -- the ELF's are mad." [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]The Animal Liberation Front (ALF), a violent, underground group of fanatics who plant firebombs in restaurants, destroy butcher shops, and torch research labs is considered by the FBI to be among America's most active and prolific terrorist groups, but PETA compares it to the Underground Railroad and the French Resistance. More than 20 years after its inception, PETA continues to hire convicted ALF militants and funds their legal defense.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]PETA has given $2,000 to David Wilson, then a national ALF "spokesperson." The group paid $27,000 for the legal defense of Roger Troen, who was arrested for taking part in a burglary and arson at the University of Oregon. It gave $7,500 to Fran Stephanie Trutt, who tried to murder the president of a medical laboratory. It gave $5,000 to Josh Harper, who attacked Native Americans on a whale hunt by throwing smoke bombs, shooting flares, and spraying their faces with chemical fire extinguishers. All of these monies were paid out of tax-exempt funds, the same pot of money constantly enlarged by donations from an unsuspecting general public. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Most ominously, PETA president Ingrid Newkirk was involved in the multi-million-dollar arson at Michigan State University that resulted in a 57-month prison term for Animal Liberation Front bomber Rodney Coronado. At Coronado's sentencing hearing, U.S. Attorney Michael Dettmer said that PETA's Ingrid Newkirk arranged ahead of time to have Coronado send her a pair of FedEx packages from Michigan -- one on the day before he burned the lab down, and the other shortly afterward.

The first FedEx, according to the Sentencing Memorandum, was delivered to a woman named Maria Blanton, "a longtime PETA member who had agreed to accept the first Federal Express package from Coronado after being asked to do so by Ingrid Newkirk." The FBI intercepted the second package, which had been sent to the same address. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]A search warrant executed at Blanton's home turned up evidence that PETA's other co-founder, Alex Pacheco, had also been planning burglaries and break-ins along with Rodney Coronado. The feds seized "surveillance logs; code names for Coronado, Pacheco, and others; burglary tools; two-way radios; night vision goggles; [and] phony identification for Coronado and Pacheco." [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Shortly after Coronado's arrest, PETA gave $45,200 to his "support committee" and "loaned" $25,000 to his father (the loan was never repaid and PETA hasn't complained). Now free from jail, with an expired parole, and with the benefit of an expired Statute of Limitations on his many earlier arsons (to which he readily confesses in his standard stump [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]speech), Coronado stood before a crowd of hundreds of young people at American University in January 2003 and demonstrated how to turn a milk jug into a bomb. A few days later, ALF criminals tried to burn down a McDonald's restaurant in Chico, California, using a firebomb that matched Coronado's recipe. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]The following month, Ingrid Newkirk told ABC News that Rodney Coronado is "a fine young man." [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]PETA has published a pamphlet, "Activism and the Law," in which PETA openly offers advice on "burning a laboratory building." [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Perhaps Newkirk's most telling comment, though, came in a 2002 U.S. News & World Report feature. "Our nonviolent tactics are not as effective," she admitted. "We ask nicely for years and get nothing. Someone makes a threat, and it works."[/FONT]
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You can youtube Ingrid Newkirk's interviews.

And I like my local SPCA. Information on spading and neutering as well as educating on good care of pets.

 

[TJ73]

When I drove a horse and carriage in San Antonio, I was warned to be careful of PETA. They would harass drivers. If they only knew how well our animals are treated and how loved they are not to mention the very strict rules imparted on us by the city. They really had the best care you could imagine and never worked more than a few weeks without being exchanged for another horse while they went to the larger farm for relaxation and horseiness.

PETA has actually adopted animals from shelters to KILL them. They corpses were found in nearby dumpsters. they feel that no one should own a pet and death is better than being someones companion.

I am all for major changes in factory farming, it's awful. But they are the last group I would aline with for any reason.

 

[ninerbuff]

I don't know enough about that organisation to make a judgement.

But what I will say is that when people push for change they generally get a bit radical. Revolutions or great social changes don't just happen through no action or reasonable discussions. You have to make an impact, most of the time.

If somebody believes in something strongly, I don't see a problem if they take some radical actions, as long as it isn't too extreme (to harm people, animals, the environment etc).

Problem is that they do damage property (usually in the form of throwing paint on fur that has yet to be sold). And to compare the killing of animals to the Holocaust (which they will compare pictures side to side) gives you an idea of how extreme they can be.

PETA likens chickens<br> to Holocaust victims

Pretty tasteless comparison IMO.

 

[TJ73]

Problem is that they do damage property (usually in the form of throwing paint on fur that has yet to be sold). And to compare the killing of animals to the Holocaust (which they will compare pictures side to side) gives you an idea of how extreme they can be.

PETA likens chickens<br> to Holocaust victims

Pretty tasteless comparison IMO.

Not to mention(again) they don't take issue with killing animals as well.

 

[Madhuri]

And to compare the killing of animals to the Holocaust (which they will compare pictures side to side) gives you an idea of how extreme they can be.

PETA likens chickens<br> to Holocaust victims

Pretty tasteless comparison IMO.

I don't think this is tasteless. The way we treat animals is the same as we have treated fellow human beings. It's horrible. To pretend that it isn't so bad to do the same to animals is extremely ignorant.
So I take no issue with such a comment.

From the article:
'The very same mindset that made the Holocaust possible &#8211; that we can do anything we want to those we decide are 'different' or 'inferior' &#8211; is what allows us to commit atrocities against animals every single day," said PETA youth outreach coordinator Matt Prescott'

This is a true statement, an not at all extreme.

 

[Madhuri]

PETA has actually adopted animals from shelters to KILL them. They corpses were found in nearby dumpsters. they feel that no one should own a pet and death is better than being someones companion.

I am all for major changes in factory farming, it's awful. But they are the last group I would aline with for any reason.

Do you have sources? I find this quite shocking. It seems completely contradictory to their mission.

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

PETA has actually adopted animals from shelters to KILL them. They corpses were found in nearby dumpsters. they feel that no one should own a pet and death is better than being someones companion.

This is just completely false. Peta offices is full of companion animals. People bring there pets to work. They are all for it.

They only believe in killing animals instead of them living a life of suffering.

Again I do not support Peta.