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Doktormartini
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Thanks for this, as I am vegan. Isn't that illegal to put something in the food and not list it?
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I like your avatar John.
Booko
Deviled Hen
No, it isn't. For example, if there are amounts of aspertame below a certain threshhold, it doesn't need to be on the label.Doktormartini said:
This is real fun for people who get migraines from aspertame.
And in non-food items, they can include allergenic substances and not tell you. I'm allergic to corn, so I can't use Charmin or Kleenex. It's real fun bringing your own TP with you when you go out of the house.
Even so, what *does* get put on the label are often derived substances that will still trigger allergic reactions.
Check out the list of corn-derived substances I have to avoid:
http://www.cornallergens.com/list/corn-allergen-list.php
Now, would you think that "Xanthan gum" might come from corn?
Likewise, there are animal-derived products and you'll never know from the label what those are. Watch your shampoos and such very carefully indeed. There are a lot of things there.
Oh, and I just found out that drywall contains corn too.
Perhaps I should retire to another country altogether. It would be safer.
Doktormartini
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Wow! Honestly I didn't know that much stuff came from corn! I'm sorry to hear that! A lot of the things on that list are avoided by Vegans as well, so why not just become a Vegan? =o) lol jk.Booko said:No, it isn't. For example, if there are amounts of aspertame below a certain threshhold, it doesn't need to be on the label.
This is real fun for people who get migraines from aspertame.
And in non-food items, they can include allergenic substances and not tell you. I'm allergic to corn, so I can't use Charmin or Kleenex. It's real fun bringing your own TP with you when you go out of the house.
Even so, what *does* get put on the label are often derived substances that will still trigger allergic reactions.
Check out the list of corn-derived substances I have to avoid:
http://www.cornallergens.com/list/corn-allergen-list.php
Now, would you think that "Xanthan gum" might come from corn?
Likewise, there are animal-derived products and you'll never know from the label what those are. Watch your shampoos and such very carefully indeed. There are a lot of things there.
Oh, and I just found out that drywall contains corn too.
Perhaps I should retire to another country altogether. It would be safer.
Booko
Deviled Hen
In the US, yeah, the corn lobby is hot to find many ways to sell their product. Even most soy milks have corn in them, and I just figured out there's only one brand of nut milks I can use. Ah well, at least I'm not slammed by a non stop migraine!Doktormartini said:
Ethanol is the latest one that scares the poop out of me. Ethanol is often made from...corn. Um, yeah, so where do I go to *breathe*?
Fortunately, I live in the South ... no ethanol here yet. *whew*
I may yet move in with Djamila.
Seriously, back to the OP -- it was years and years ago a vegetarian boyfriend of mine drew my attention to the animal products in shampoos.
I remember when it was all the rage to stick "with protein!" on the label. Now, the protein in hair is keratin. So...if I slap a steak on my head, is that gonna make my hair healthier? :biglaugh: What a marketing ploy!
The easiest way to make sure the cleansing products don't have any meat or dairy in them is to look for the Orthodox Union "OU" label and just stick to those brands. I've been doing that for years.
It's been a life saver for me to get real paranoid about label reading. They stuff dairy byproducts in all sorts of things too, and I'm also allergic to dairy. Kosher products are often safe, but sometimes they use trans fats in place of butter, and I can't eat the trans fats either. (Really no one should.)
Even soy cheese has dairy in it (casein) unless is says "VEGAN" on the label.
For years I bought my husband Great Grains cereal, until they put trans fats in them, then I stopped. So they finally stopped putting the trans fats in -- and added whey.
Arnold bread used to be kosher and I could eat that for a while when I was getting off dairy, but one day I got a migraine, read the label and lo and behold...they started putting milk in it. I let my Jewish neighbor know so she could pass the "news" around the community.
I read the label on all foods, each time I buy them, unless it's water, and even then I wonder what they put in it.
I've pretty much changed to making everything from scratch using only whole foods. I now prepare my own condiments. Fortunately, the local farmer's market has a bakery that makes bread with plain simple ingredients I can eat and NO MILK . (yay!)
It's crazy, but that's what I have to do not to get sick, and I can really sympathize with anyone on a veggie or vegan or kosher diet, because they pretty much have to do the same rigamarole I do just to eat.
My son may be going to Israel for a year. With his dairy allergy, it's probably one of the safest places he could go. At least people there don't give you a blank stare when you ask if there's any dairy in the food. They know.
Booko
Deviled Hen
Doktormartini said:
Oh darn -- forgot to answer your question. Why not a vegan?
Because the only legumes I seem to be able to digest are chickpeas and lentils. I can eat nuts, but not daily.
Since I'm hypoglycemic (though I'm backing off that quite a bit) it's essential I get enough protein 4-5 times a day and *really* cut back on carbs.
My doc's a vegetarian, and she's the one who put me on a diet that includes meat. I may get to the point where things are healed enough to drop that out, but not yet.
NoahideHiker
Religious Headbanger
PREACH THE NETT said:What is the reason for the Kosher food exactly? Just curious...I know it has to do with your religion, but how and why? You don't have to quote scripture, just an explanation...thanks..
it is camanded to not eat meat and dairy together so nanything that is used for dairy can not be used for meat. Frum Jewish households have two sets of dishes and pans and their refridgerators are normally seperated to keep meat and dairy completely seperate. There is also the issues of how meat is butched and prepared.
You can go to the Orthodox Union to find which products are kosher and do not contain pork. Normally if you look on a product there will be a circle U somewhere that means it's kosher.
http://oukosher.org/
NoahideHiker
Religious Headbanger
PREACH THE NETT said:
Lev. 11 is very clear about what can be eaten and what can not be eaten...
3. Any animal that has a cloven hoof that is completely split into double hooves, and which brings up its cud that one you may eat. 4. But these you shall not eat among those that bring up the cud and those that have a cloven hoof: the camel, because it brings up its cud, but does not have a [completely] cloven hoof; it is unclean for you. 5. And the hyrax, because it brings up its cud, but will not have a [completely] cloven hoof; it is unclean for you; 6. And the hare, because it brings up its cud, but does not have a [completely] cloven hoof; it is unclean for you; 7. And the pig, because it has a cloven hoof that is completely split, but will not regurgitate its cud; it is unclean for you. 8. You shall not eat of their flesh, and you shall not touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you.
But this is just what the Jews may not eat. We non Jews can eat pig until the cows (or pigs) come home. If we examine the dietary laws of the Law we find a perfect system in place to good health and diet. The things that are forbidden we find to be generally unhealthy to eat as well as many unclean animals having specific jobs in nature such as shell fish cleaning the water and pigs cleaning refuse from the land.
Doktormartini
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Jewish people should just stop eating meat all together. It would be much easier and healthier.
NoahideHiker
Religious Headbanger
Doktormartini said:
While I don't have to observe any kosher law accept the prohibition of eating anything that has been removed from a live animal (it has to be completely dead before slaughtering) I have gone for long periods of time without eating meat. Sometimes a year.
There is a lot more Jewish vegetarians than one would think. Many people do not understand the compassion that Judaism holds to animals and the strict laws that apply to the treatment of animals. Here's a few interesting articles and sites if you get bored.
http://www.aish.com/societyWork/society/Judaism_and_Vegetarianism.asp
http://www.jewishveg.com/index.html
Booko
Deviled Hen
john313 said:
My doc carries an excellent brand of rice protein, but it only keeps me for maybe 1.5-2 hours. Plus it's becoming a challenge what to put the protein power *in*. I'm pretty much down to one brand of nut milk (not too much of that) or tea or coffee or water. Ever have protein power in water with no fruit? It's pretty vomitable stuff.
Booko
Deviled Hen
john313 said:
If it's the U.S. just look for the capital letter U with a circle around it. That's a mark from the Orthodox Union. If bread had pork byproducts in it, it wouldn't be carrying that mark.
If there's a "D" next to the symbol, then it's dairy.
Also, anything that says "parve" should be ok.
Here's the OU website for more information:
http://www.oukosher.org/
This is a handy mark for vegans, Muslims, and those of us trying to dodge dairy in our diets.
About the only kind of bread I can eat now is the stuff from the Jewish and Middle Eastern bakeries.
lunamoth
Will to love
Sharon, you should write a book with the information you've accumulated about food allergies.
I know there are such things written already...but combined with your chemistry background and all the pratical experience you've had you could write a very helpful book. Maybe even include recipies, things like that?
Part medical info...part critique of our *cough cough* ag and food industry...part recipies...part advice from the trenches kind of thing.
I know there are such things written already...but combined with your chemistry background and all the pratical experience you've had you could write a very helpful book. Maybe even include recipies, things like that?
Part medical info...part critique of our *cough cough* ag and food industry...part recipies...part advice from the trenches kind of thing.