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Platform vs. Platform.

Based solely on their platforms and nothing else, which party platform do you prefer?


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fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
Based solely on their platforms and nothing else, which party platform do you prefer?

2016 Democratic Party Platform

2016 Republican Party Platform


This is a hypothetical question. I want you to imagine that you know nothing at all about the candidates or the parties. I want you to ignore their personalities, histories, or any other factor and just look at the two platforms. I realise that most will say this is not the way to decide who to vote for, and I agree. There are some who will say the platform is completely irrelevant, and I disagree. But this is just a hypothetical question.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
I'll take a gun and a single bullet
Heh.

Seriously, I'm not going to spend days reading and comparing two 50 page documents in detail. Rather I voted based on the policies that both parties have promoted over the past few years and which I assume the platforms basically restate.
 

Acim

Revelation all the time
As I read through Democratic platform, I find it hard to believe that what it says will be done, will actually be done. Probably cause advocates/Dems are currently saying different, if not the opposite, of those things. Like one example, from a topic I'm interested in, but is actually not high on my priorities (or why I would vote for a candidate, cause I think POTUS and national party will have very little say in this):

(From the "Reforming Our Criminal Justice System" part, small excerpt):

We will work with police chiefs to invest in training for officers on issues such as de-escalation and the creation of national guidelines for the appropriate use of force. We will encourage better police-community relations, require the use of body cameras, and stop the use of weapons of war that have no place in our communities. We will end racial profiling that targets individuals solely on the basis of race, religion, ethnicity, or national origin, which is un-American and counterproductive.

I don't believe Dems will work with all police chiefs. I don't believe they'll come up with an actual document of "national guidelines for the appropriate use of force," or if they will, it won't be met with much approval from most LEA's. I don't believe they'll spearhead "better police-community relations" and think such an effort is underway, but mainly because police realize they are getting lots of unwanted, sometimes unwarranted, attention. I believe Dems will be completely ineffective in stopping use of 'weapons of war' from LEA's, and that those will be in our communities for the foreseeable future. I believe Dems will not end racial profiling and regardless of political bent of LEA personnel, that racial profiling will continue, indefinitely.

As I read through other parts of the document, I had similar take.

I do like / prefer Dem platform on say marijuana legalization, but up to a point. I see Dems looking at it as a cash cow for both regulations (galore) and research. Politically, they'll play the game that would entice someone like me, but given their stance on smoking/vaping, I find it so hypocritical I simply can't get on board such a platform. I also know, from lots of research, that many anti-smoking factions are anti-marijuana use, but vaping has provided them a new target to not make it so they (Dems) appear so anti-marijuana.

If I look at what Pub Platform says regarding marijuana, I find:

The progress made over the last three decades against drug abuse is eroding, whether for cultural reasons or for lack of national leadership. In many jurisdictions, marijuana is virtually legalized despite its illegality under federal law. At the other end of the drug spectrum, heroin use nearly doubled from 2003 to 2013, while deaths from heroin have quadrupled. All this highlights the continuing conflicts and contradictions in public attitudes and public policy toward illegal substances. Congress and a new administration should consider the long- range implications of these trends for public health and safety and prepare to deal with the problematic consequences.

I see this calling for consistency and saying Congress and new admin ought to ensure it stays consistent between federal and local/state jurisdictions. I feel I get the majority opinion among Pubs that this consistency would call for outlawing all illegal substances, seemingly ignoring how well Prohibition (didn't) work out for America. When it comes to losses by the State (read as Feds) in the war on drugs, I do not shed a tear. At same time, I do think it makes sense for Congress to weigh in and make it consistent, but if I am giving benefit of doubt to Pub platform, I think they are saying make marijuana legal across the board while keeping harder drugs like heroin illegal.

As vaping is big deal to me, I already know what the Pub platform says on this. Couldn't find anything on Dem platform regarding this (I think cause they are embarrassed to hold the position they hold). But the Pub one is music to my ears, even while it ain't saying much:

The FDA needs to return to its traditional emphasis on hard science and approving new breakthrough medicines, rather than divert its attention and consume its resources trying to overregulate electronic health records or vaping. We pledge to restore the FDA to its position as the premier scientific health agency....

Currently, I think the FDA is as close to actual science as Creationists.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
It's simple really, people in the middle class benefit from democratic policies over the corporate policies.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
It's simple really, people in the middle class benefit from democratic policies over the corporate policies.
Under Democrats, corporations are still generally favored too much, and they aren't a perfect match for the middle class. Granted the ACA that was enacted wasn't anything like it was originally intended, but as enacted it has made full time employment for lower pay/status jobs nearly impossible to find. Even jobs that would normally be full time, such as store management, have been bumped down to part time. At least that's how things turned out here.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
Under Democrats, corporations are still generally favored too much, and they aren't a perfect match for the middle class. Granted the ACA that was enacted wasn't anything like it was originally intended, but as enacted it has made full time employment for lower pay/status jobs nearly impossible to find. Even jobs that would normally be full time, such as store management, have been bumped down to part time. At least that's how things turned out here.
Yep, I agree with Bernies perspective on that as well. When you give corporations power with their money in government, it will and is bought. But you must admit, the republican party is controlled from the top by some of these corporations, not the same with the other side. The ACA is hated by republicans because big pharma and insurance companies are losing profits. The capitalistic model puts profit first. Which is why people with pre-existing conditions have been wrongfully denied care. Conditions hurt the bottom line.
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
No party platform is ever carried out in detail. Nor do they often even try to do so.
It is written to solicit votes.
The Platform is of little more worth than a sales leaflet distributed by a con artist.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Yep, I agree with Bernies perspective on that as well. When you give corporations power with their money in government, it will and is bought. But you must admit, the republican party is controlled from the top by some of these corporations, not the same with the other side.
I've noticed, that will Liberals, they are mostly angered by and are aware of the groups that are not as wealthy, but have more influence because of their lack of wealth because they aren't catching the media attention that the ultra wealthy are having. This is the problem with the Democrats and their Liberals. They'll target the ultra wealthy, but those feeding them go on largely unnoticed because they're too focused on the ultra wealthy crop growers and not the ones putting the processed crops into the shelves of our stores. There's big money in private prisons, enough to make people wealthy, but not wealthy enough for them to get public awareness over the issues involved with them. It is these corporate entities that are moving through the Democratic party and going largely unnoticed. And there is a degree of cognitive dissonance as Dick Chenney's company raked in wealth from the wars, but they aren't really mentioning that Hillary did vote for that war, and conventional methods that have been failing for over a century now with the Middle East will carry on.
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
There's big money in private prisons, enough to make people wealthy, but not wealthy enough for them to get public awareness over the issues involved with them. It is these corporate entities that are moving through the Democratic party and going largely unnoticed.
Page 15 of the Democratic Platform
We will reform mandatory minimum sentences and close private prisons and detention centers.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Page 15 of the Democratic Platform
Well, I stand corrected. I wasn't aware that was as strong of an issue for the Democratic party. It's a good thing to be wrong about though, because our entire "legal system" is in dire need over being rebuilt from the ground up. We can be surprisingly and shockingly lenient when you can afford to pay, but this thing we call "justice" ends up hammering those who can't pay the hardest.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
Well, I stand corrected. I wasn't aware that was as strong of an issue for the Democratic party. It's a good thing to be wrong about though, because our entire "legal system" is in dire need over being rebuilt from the ground up. We can be surprisingly and shockingly lenient when you can afford to pay, but this thing we call "justice" ends up hammering those who can't pay the hardest.
Just like the government, prisons shouldn't be run for profit. When that happens, you get corruption and greed. In the case of prisons, they'll find a way to lock up more people for the extra $$$$.

The Kochroaches have been interested in this prison for profit scheme recently. That's reason enough to know it'll turn corrupt.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
The Republican platform is difficult to even attempt to take seriously. It sounds like something out of a satirical website.

The Dem platform is way too militaristic and too nationalistic for me to much like it, but it at least attempts to be virtuous.
 

Acim

Revelation all the time
Glad I cited examples from both in making my point.

Still don't see much in Dem platform that is believable, that can actually be accomplished. Even with all Dem controlled government at every level (all governors, mayors, both houses, POTUS and SCOTUS), I see it as challenging to believe what they think ought to be done will be done. The great news is if they tried to get it done, it would signal a wide open door for the other (or any other) party to come on in and manage affairs in a more reasonable manner.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
Glad I cited examples from both in making my point.

Still don't see much in Dem platform that is believable, that can actually be accomplished. Even with all Dem controlled government at every level (all governors, mayors, both houses, POTUS and SCOTUS), I see it as challenging to believe what they think ought to be done will be done. The great news is if they tried to get it done, it would signal a wide open door for the other (or any other) party to come on in and manage affairs in a more reasonable manner.
The SCOTUS has been under conservative control for decades
 

Monk Of Reason

༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ
I prefer neither. I mean its not that the platforms actually matter at all in the end because there is no binding ties between them and what the candidates will actually do.
 

Karl R

Active Member
Based solely on their platforms and nothing else, which party platform do you prefer?
This may be a little off-topic, but how many people do you believe will read the 51 page democratic platform and the 54 page republican platform before voting in your poll?
 
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