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Please debate me one-on-one

Squirt

Well-Known Member
I am looking for someone who believes we are saved by faith alone and that our role in our own salvation is solely that of a believer. If someone wants to take me up on this request, please tell me and I'll post an OP in the One-on-one Debates Forum. In case you don't know, I will be taking the opposite position -- that faith and works together are necessary for us to be fully reconciled to God.
 

Squirt

Well-Known Member
Victor said:
Ooo...uuuu....aaaa...me me me....:D
Just messin. This is an area we agree with.
Do you want to pretend you disagree? :D I could wallop you and we could both go away happy!
 

Quiddity

UndertheInfluenceofGiants
Squirt said:
Do you want to pretend you disagree? :D I could wallop you and we could both go away happy!

:biglaugh: How fulfilling...I'd rather cheer you on.:highfive:
 

sandy whitelinger

Veteran Member
Squirt said:
I am looking for someone who believes we are saved by faith alone and that our role in our own salvation is solely that of a believer. If someone wants to take me up on this request, please tell me and I'll post an OP in the One-on-one Debates Forum. In case you don't know, I will be taking the opposite position -- that faith and works together are necessary for us to be fully reconciled to God.

Your statement has a contridiction. I bolded the contridiction. It is possible to be saved and not be fully reconciled with God.
 

Endless

Active Member
Interesting comment. I do believe we are saved by faith alone - but like the Bible says, Faith without works is dead. So the works originate from our faith, if there are no works then we don't have a faith. We can say we do but we do not truly have faith. But we can have works without faith. That will get us nowhere.
I guess my position is that Faith is what saves us, work is as a result of our faith - but works will not save us. But once saved, always saved is what i hold to as well. We become saved when we accept Jesus' sacrifice for our sins - that is by faith, the works then follow as we live a Christian life - the works a result of our continued faith.

That make sense? :areyoucra I've had a long day :)
 

Squirt

Well-Known Member
sandy whitelinger said:
Your statement has a contridiction. I bolded the contridiction. It is possible to be saved and not be fully reconciled with God.
I'm not following you at all. I totally believe that it is possible to be saved and yet not be fully reconciled to God. But that is another topic entirely. I want to debate a believer in sola fide, someone who thinks we must do nothing but believe in Christ in order to be saved. If you're that person, do you want to debate me or not?
 

Squirt

Well-Known Member
Endless said:
Interesting comment. I do believe we are saved by faith alone - but like the Bible says, Faith without works is dead. So the works originate from our faith, if there are no works then we don't have a faith. We can say we do but we do not truly have faith. But we can have works without faith. That will get us nowhere.
I guess my position is that Faith is what saves us, work is as a result of our faith - but works will not save us.
I pretty much agree with your statement, although I would have expressed it somewhat differently. Our differences of opinion are not so huge, though, that they couldn't be resolved through some efforts at understanding one another's perspective.

But once saved, always saved is what i hold to as well. We become saved when we accept Jesus' sacrifice for our sins - that is by faith, the works then follow as we live a Christian life - the works a result of our continued faith.

That make sense? :areyoucra I've had a long day :)
I disagree with you for no other reason than that I believe "he that endures to the end shall be saved." We have a promise of salvation from the moment we enter into a covenant relationship with Christ. But entering into a relationship and maintaining that relationship are two entirely different things. I suppose we could debate this subject instead since the two are closely related.
 

Mike182

Flaming Queer
id be happy to give it a go! i don't believe we can be saved by only faith, but i can try and argue the toss with ya :bounce
 

Squirt

Well-Known Member
Mike182 said:
id be happy to give it a go! i don't believe we can be saved by only faith, but i can try and argue the toss with ya :bounce
If you don't believe we can be saved by only faith, Mike, we're on the same side of the issue!
 

Endless

Active Member
That would make a short debate :)

Yeah we could discuss the relationship side of things - like 'once saved always saved?' Something like that?
 

sandy whitelinger

Veteran Member
Squirt said:
I'm not following you at all. I totally believe that it is possible to be saved and yet not be fully reconciled to God. But that is another topic entirely. I want to debate a believer in sola fide, someone who thinks we must do nothing but believe in Christ in order to be saved. If you're that person, do you want to debate me or not?

You said, and I quote, you were looking to debate someone "who believes we are saved by faith alone and that our role in our own salvation is solely that of a believer."

And you said that you would take the position, "that faith and works together are necessary for us to be fully reconciled to God. "

These are two separate issues and you seem to agree with that. You also said that the position you would take is another topic entirely. Why then do you wish to debate one topic by taking an unrelated position?
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
Squirt said:
I am looking for someone who believes we are saved by faith alone and that our role in our own salvation is solely that of a believer. If someone wants to take me up on this request, please tell me and I'll post an OP in the One-on-one Debates Forum. In case you don't know, I will be taking the opposite position -- that faith and works together are necessary for us to be fully reconciled to God.

You must be a glutton for punishment! You're adding to No*s?:eek:
 

jeffrey

†ßig Dog†
The problem I have here is I don't believe you are "saved" by either. It's what's in your heart. In my opinion, I believe that an Atheist with a good heart has a better chance at making it to "heaven" then some Christians that spends most of day trying to be better then everyone else, judging everyone else, trying to prove they're right and everyone else is wrong. I don't believe faith or works have a thing to do with it.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
jeffrey said:
The problem I have here is I don't believe you are "saved" by either. It's what's in your heart. In my opinion, I believe that an Atheist with a good heart has a better chance at making it to "heaven" then some Christians that spends most of day trying to be better then everyone else, judging everyone else, trying to prove they're right and everyone else is wrong. I don't believe faith or works have a thing to do with it.

I see that you imply both.

1) Good heart pretty much covers faith, although it has no object (like belief in a God)
2) I assume that you mean that the atheist with a good heart lives an honest life, not judging others? That is good works.
 

Squirt

Well-Known Member
sandy whitelinger said:
You said, and I quote, you were looking to debate someone "who believes we are saved by faith alone and that our role in our own salvation is solely that of a believer."

And you said that you would take the position, "that faith and works together are necessary for us to be fully reconciled to God. "

These are two separate issues and you seem to agree with that. You also said that the position you would take is another topic entirely. Why then do you wish to debate one topic by taking an unrelated position?
Sorry, Sandy. You lost me. Want to try again?
 

Squirt

Well-Known Member
angellous_evangellous said:
You must be a glutton for punishment! You're adding to No*s?:eek:
Well, debating No*s is definitely not going to be a walk in the park. I discovered that after his first post. He's one smart dude, for sure, but I'm up to the challenge.

No offense to Endless, but he doesn't scare me. :D Our biggest problem isn't going to be debating the issues. It's going to be remaining civil to one another. Since I already know his opinion of my Church's beliefs, I was hesitant to accept his offer to debate one-on-one with him, regardless of the topic. So far, though, so good.
 
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