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Please Explain This Behavior

Brickjectivity

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
What does her race have to do with it ... geeze. The woman is a lunatic, but where do you get the idea that "blacks do this" rather than just ridiculous crazy people?! Your comment here demonstrates the very definition of racism, which is unacceptable just like this woman's behavior.
I think...that if there were truly a moral difference between whites and blacks then racism could be justified, but there isn't. There's no difference, and there are many ways to verify that there isn't. Its therefore a lie and a slanderous accusation to claim somebody can't help but be immoral due to the small physical differences between human beings.
 

leibowde84

Veteran Member
I think...that if there were truly a moral difference between whites and blacks then racism could be justified, but there isn't. There's no difference, and there are many ways to verify that there isn't. Its therefore a lie and a slanderous accusation to claim somebody can't help but be immoral due to the small physical differences between human beings.
I agree.
 

lovesong

:D
Premium Member
Why does this have to be a race thing? Someone did something ridiculous and stupid, end of story. Even if they did lock her in the solution is to return the stollen goods, not trash the store. White, black, or otherwise, the story is the same and the results are the same. Trashing stores is not some epidemic to be blamed on race, it's one stupid person doing one stupid thing.
 

Acim

Revelation all the time
Why does this have to be a race thing? Someone did something ridiculous and stupid, end of story. Even if they did lock her in the solution is to return the stollen goods, not trash the store. White, black, or otherwise, the story is the same and the results are the same. Trashing stores is not some epidemic to be blamed on race, it's one stupid person doing one stupid thing.

Oh yeah?


I just don't get why this white guy decided to act like a black woman?

/more sarcasm
 

Onyx

Active Member
Premium Member
The "Killdozer" driver was a white man. Is throwing bags of potato chips on the ground in a temper-tantrum worse than this? Idiots come in all flavors.

 

Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
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Premium Member
The text of the original video says they locked her in, because she had 12 stolen candy bars in her purse. Since they wouldn't unlock the door she began ransacking the store until they unlocked the door and let her out. She left with the candy bars.

In spite of the fact that she was completely in the wrong, in spite of the fact that she was caught, in spite of the fact that she was initially outmaneuvered, she got away with it, she got released, and she got to keep the candy bars.

If this were a scene in a movie, most people would be cheering, or at least laughing.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
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Please Explain This Behavior.

What does this say to you? How can this woman justify her behavior?

She was caught, by the owner, stealing candy and this is how she reacted.

No probs....... let me explain......
JACKSONVILLE, FL (August 15, 2016) - The Jacksonville Sheriff’s Office is trying to identify the woman in the video. The unknown suspect entered Shell located at 715 N. Main Street and placed several candy bars totaling eleven dollars in her pockets in an attempt to conceal them. The store personnel confronted the suspect but she refused to return the items and attempted to exit the business. The complainant locked the front door to the business and the suspect was not able to leave the business. At that time, the suspect began damaging the consumable goods inside the store. The complainant then unlocked the door and suspect fled the scene on foot
What rubbish.
Look, if you've seen something that I didn't, please just add the info, OK?
The store staff are certainly idiots, most probably bigots, and could be liars. I don't know about Florida H&S@W but this store needs fining heavily. Let's look at this fiasco.
1. The woman didn't steal anything. We've already seen multiple CCTV coverage of her depositing items from the displays onto the shop floors, but the Sheriff's Office was unable to show any footage of this lady approaching any display, selecting any shop items, or concealing same in her pockets. Is that right? Did I miss this? So the theft allegation is just bull. No Court would convict, well, if Florida law has any sense. Over here a person must be seen to approach a display, select shop stock, conceal the stock, leave the store and make no offer to pay for the stock. There are several actions which can replace 'conceal' and still prove theft, but these staff couldn't pass the basic rule, let alone get into anything slightly difficult.
2. The lady has a nice big bag over her shoulder, but she was reported to be pushing items into her pockets...... interesting. :) It could have been that bigoted shop-staff loiter around people who they think are bad, and peer into their bags and pockets, looking for concealed items. This lady may have purchased items elsewhere, and shop-staff have decided thaty she was a thief by-guess. There doesn't seem to be any cctv evidence?
3. The idiots in this shop, if they had actually seen the lady select/conceal 'several' items, how did they know that these items totalled exactly $11? Several items? They're liars. Isn't truth easy to spot?
4. Look, let's say that you own a shop, and you do actually see a person select/conceal $11 of your stock....... you're not an idiot, you don't want to struggle in the street, possibly getting stabbed or shot over some sweets, so you go to the shop entrance, pick up a shop selections basket, approach the shopper politely, apologise for not having the baskets in place and offer a basket for the shopper to place their selections? Yes? Then the shopper knows you know, and the pressure rises on the shopper to do the right thing. ???? This is called a deter, and still protects you because you never made silly allegations when you could, in fact, have been wrong.
5. I expect that Florida requires that any retal premises with public access MUST have provision for fast public EGRESS in the event of any emergency. It's just common sense. But this store seems to keep it's Fire-Escape doors locked, doesn't it? So when staff guess (in bigotry?) that a person is bad, they all just rush outside and lock ALL the doors? Really?
6. Finally, after this shopper, in her acute anger, has made some work for these shop-idiots, they open the doors......... yep...... the store staff need to go on a Customer Service and Care Course, a simple Retail Security Course, a Health and Safety@ Work Course, and an anti-discrimination course.
'Nuff Said.
Guess who taught Store Detectives, Retail Investigators and Security Ops for over 20 years, and was a Government Approved Security Industries trainer. This ain't ad-hominem, because my points prove my post. Fair? :)
 

4consideration

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Premium Member
I think the behavior is terrible in general, but it's tough to figure out what to believe regarding the matter, since we see about 10 minutes of footage while she is throwing stuff on the floor, but no footage of the actual events that lead up to it. I have to wonder why we do not see footage of the whole time, including her entering the store, and what she is accused of doing that lead to them "locking her in" or even that was really locked in.

I see no evidence of that happening either, so I can't say she stole and I can say she was locked in, or in any way prevented from leaving.

@oldbadger I also think there's no evidence of bigotry being involved as a possible motive for her being accused of stealing or "locked in," since the only other person we see is in the store appears to me to be of the same race as the woman. Does anyone think that man looks white? I don't. He appears to be walking from behind the counter, and is wearing a uniform shirt that looks like a Shell station uniform. If you stop the frame at approx. 1:16 you can see what appears to be the Shell logo on the back.

It is my understanding that she would have had to exit the store without paying for the owners to legally be able to assert she shoplifted, so I can't say she did that. However, I would guess, and it's only a guess, that for a person that would cause that much damage to store shoplifting would not be totally out of the question.

edit: What we do see evidence of, though, is probably something like criminal mischief, which exists under Florida law, and is the willful and malicious destruction of someone else's property.
 
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4consideration

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I have to wonder why we do not see footage of the whole time, including her entering the store, and what she is accused of doing that lead to them "locking her in" or even that was really locked in.
Actually, I'm no longer questioning why we don't see the whole tape. I was thinking the footage was posted by the store owner when writing this. It makes sense to me that since all the Jacksonville Police Department is trying to do with posting this video is to identify this woman, and the footage will possibly be evidence in a trial, it's no longer that puzzling to me.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
@oldbadger I also think there's no evidence of bigotry being involved as a possible motive for her being accused of stealing or "locked in," since the only other person we see is in the store appears to me to be of the same race as the woman. Does anyone think that man looks white? I don't. He appears to be walking from behind the counter, and is wearing a uniform shirt that looks like a Shell station uniform. If you stop the frame at approx. 1:16 you can see what appears to be the Shell logo on the back.
The retail trade suffers from levels of prejudice which, when recognised, are truly beyond belief. Staff nationality, race, colour etc have little to do with these disgraceful levels.
Please let me explain, best as I can..... Please forgive the intensity ..... :)
1. Many Senior Police Officers around the World think that Retailers who stuff their displays full of exotic and often unaffordable goods are most irresponsible, because they almost provoke thefts in their attempts to sell produce, and then scream for expensive Police response and care when it all goes wrong.
2. Because of this, sensible retailers who want to enjoy good profits spend time/ money on thinking up ways to sell their produce while minimising on the COSTS of CRIME. These retailers discovered that when they hire staff who are heatedly self-righteous about theft that such staff raise the costs of crime because where they could easily deter thefts they seem to prefer to contentiously confront thefts in a conflict-high manner, which increases the risks to life, injuries, criminal damage, police-time, court time and more. All of these costs automatically reduce profits, as well as increasing dangers to staff and customers.
3. So these retailers think up sensible ways of detering thefts in their shops. There are hundreds of deterrents, some hugely effective (10%) some tiny (0.25%) but if a retailer is turning over 1 billion dollars per annum and a cheap deterrrent of 0.25% works the saving is massive if the cost of the deterrent is small.
4. The single most safe and effective deterrent where a person or group is believed to be preparing to steal is by offering Customer-Care. This can be a polite approach to ask if a person needs help, or in the case of a gang concealing $1000s of dollars of property some staff could actually attend with trolleys, offering to help take the stock to the tills (with straight faces!). A simple tannoy announcement asking for all managers to attend their departments, store-detectives to the shop-floor and all guards to the store entrances can deter a massive crime whilst not actually risking anybody's safety.
5. But there is a problem. Retail Staff Prejudices! We know that every level of society has its % of thieves, and this includes Army Officers, Police Inspectors, MP's wives, Airline Directors, Accountants, Bus Drivers, Welders, Nurses, Benefits claimants etc. We know this! Their drives to steal vary, from Need, Greed, Speed (excitement) to Peer-pressure, Hate, Anger, Intellectual-arrogance and more. We can train retail staff to react to safely and inexpensively deter many crimes....... But some retail staff are very prejudiced about some types of people.
6. Over here (UK) if a survey was carried out amongst retail staff, asking their opinions about various types of people, their nationalities, classes, colours, races, ages, gender, religions etc we would almost definitely find a MASSIVE short circuit as soon as 'Travellers' or 'Gypsies' were mentioned.
7. Over here, well trained retail staff can offer CUSTOMER CARE to deter many potential thefts and losses, but as soon as a call goes out on staff-radio that 'Travellers' are instore the whole training program can fail through PREJUDICE. Staff deliberately stand-stare in attitude, no customer-care is offered, no smiles, guards are sent running this way and that (I've seen this rubbish) and your average Gypsy, treated thus, can feel extremely angry....... I would.
8. Gypsies can react differently...... and I have seen CCTV footage of a group of gypsies who stopped shopping, and started trashing displays. Obviously, when a group of folks trashes a store, then that is a crime. It is costly, in frightened staff, damaged stock, masses of staff hours, giving statements to police, travel to Court etc etc. All these costs come straight off the top of retail profits. All of these costs, and the whole incident, could be avoided if staff were not prejudiced about certain types of people.
9. Reinforced prejudice is even worse. That is a condition when staff might tell you that all (whichever type of people) are bad, and steal. So these staff, and guards and store-detectives ALWAYS watch these people whenever they can, and maths predicts that the more you watch a 'type' then the more that you will catch that type, and then the prejudiced person can hold that incident high and shout to all, 'See? These people are bad! I always knew it!' and the prejudice has been butressed, or reinforced.
10. And (for instance) Black retail staff can be prejudiced about (say) black women of a certain age, or size, with certain clothing, or already known, etc. And in the OP the woman was not offered customer-care, she was confronted, conflict-high, accused, etc......... and then locked in. And then, after her anger had caused her actions, they let her out and away.............. Staff training? Staff Prejudice? Staff stupidity? That cost a massive amount from Shell Profits, and it didn't need to. And that Lady was mistreated. imo...... very bad. :)
 
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