Political Affiliation Changing in US

[Guitar's Cry]

OK. IMV, I think it would be a lot more complicated although your statement does have some truth to it.

Certainly cultural change does not necessarily translate into good change. Maybe people are saying "this is bad change?"

As far as climate control, China with 9.9 billion tonnes of CO2 emissions is the biggest problem. Until you kick China now, instead of down the road, everything else is irrelevant IMO.

Nor is change all bad. Sometimes it is just necessary. And sometimes people hate it regardless just because it is change.

China is also investing in green infrastructure more than the US and will likely become a leader in this while the US continues kicking that durn can.

 

[Revoltingest]

Businesses can be rebuilt. The 850,000 Americans who have died from covid cannot be returned to life as death is permanent.
It's called priorities. Material items do not come above life itself. Businesses get destroyed by natural disasters all the time.

We can't put life completely ahead of material concerns either.
Without production & delivery systems we wouldn't have
food, health care, transportation, heat, etc. That would cost
lives too. Moreover, there are psychological costs to lockdowns.
Some unholy compromise (both sides having objections) will
optimize health & economic goals.

 

[Revoltingest]

They have more power than they did under Trump.
I'm not claiming that it's overwhelming power.
But the public places great importance on which
party has the presidency. And they see no results
under Biden. Notice how his popularity is so low.

Look at the thread's title. It's about a shift in party
affiliation. I'm merely explaining why I think public
perception is driving it. Your argument is with them,
not me.

There is a singular where Dems did actually have unilateral
power, ie, Biden being Commander In Chief. He used it to
effect quick withdrawal from Afghanistan. The public appeared
to greatly disapprove of how it was handled.

(Speaking personally, I give him credit for
this. But the public & I don't always agree.)

 

[anna.]

You know what you posted, so it'd be easier
for you to find. Or you could re-state it.

I've run into being asked to search for someone
else's post before. Doesn't always work well.

I'll do this once for you. If you ask me again in future it won't work well.

It's not even "all this power."

I'm an independent. I don't have an argument with the growing percentage of independents, it doesn't surprise me. Nor are the numbers problematic to me, they're predictable based on Biden's current favorability.

Again, my disagreement with you lies solely in your contention that Democrats have "all this power." They don't.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'll do this once for you. If you ask me again in future it won't work well.

If someone asked me what I posted, I'd just deliver.
I guess my standards of service are higher than some.

But reading your post, I'd have never found your post....
I'm an independent. I don't have an argument with the growing percentage of independents, it doesn't surprise me. Nor are the numbers problematic to me, they're predictable based on Biden's current favorability.
Why?
I don't see it addressing my speculation that the
public perceived that Democrats weren't using
their power to effect change, & that this is behind
shifting party affiliations.

This is why one shouldn't ask others to search
for one's own post. One knows which post it is.

 

[anna.]

If someone asked me what I posted, I'd just deliver.
I guess my standards of service are higher than some.

But reading your post, I'd have never found your post....
I'm an independent. I don't have an argument with the growing percentage of independents, it doesn't surprise me. Nor are the numbers problematic to me, they're predictable based on Biden's current favorability.
Why?
I don't see it addressing my speculation that the
public perceived that Democrats weren't using
their power to effect change, & that this is behind
shifting party affiliations.

This is why one shouldn't ask others to search
for one's own post. One knows which post it is.

This seems a pointless waste of time for me to continue, except that sometimes a pointless waste of time is exactly what my day needs, so...

I told you my disagreement with you was not regarding public perception.

I told you my disagreement with you lies solely in your contention that Democrats have "all this power."

Therefore, arguing that I didn't address your speculation about public speculation (I did, I said I didn't have a disagreement with it) misses the great big point that my disagreement with you lies solely in your contention that Democrats have "all this power."

You haven't effectively shown they do indeed have "all this power." Should you supply any supporting information regarding Democrats having "all this power" then let's look at it.

 

[Kenny]

It's strange how conservative hardliners can simultaneously believe that Republicans have both overtaken Democrats in popular support and have always been enough of a majority to have Trump win the 2020 election.

Strange that one can look at a Gallop graph and still deny it's there.

 

[Kooky]

There is a singular where Dems did actually have unilateral
power, ie, Biden being Commander In Chief. He used it to
effect quick withdrawal from Afghanistan. The public appeared
to greatly disapprove of how it was handled.

(Speaking personally, I give him credit for
this. But the public & I don't always agree.)

Do you think this shift in perception is solely the result of the withdrawal from Afghanistan?

 

[Kooky]

Strange that one can look at a Gallop graph and still deny it's there.

Is there a reason why you quoted me in your post, even though I have never done such a thing?

Did you mean to respond to somebody else, perhaps?

 

[Kenny]

Nor is change all bad. Sometimes it is just necessary. And sometimes people hate it regardless just because it is change.

Now... let's differentiate which change is good and which isn't.

China is also investing in green infrastructure more than the US and will likely become a leader in this while the US continues kicking that durn can.

Yes and, of course, we can trust every word they say:

Top 10 worst cities for smog | DW | 03.03.2014

Interestingly enough... US cities aren't there.

World's Most Polluted Cities in 2020 - PM2.5 Ranking | AirVisual

and not in this list


"But even though the country has become a leader in renewable energy, it still emits more greenhouse gases than any other country in the world and its emissions are on pace to climb until 2030."

They should!

 

[metis]

It seems to me that we should always try to do that which is right even if some others don't.

 

[Revoltingest]

This seems a pointless waste of time for me to continue....

A feeling I regularly get.
(Sometimes I deal with imperceptive & contentious people.)

 

[Revoltingest]

Do you think this shift in perception is solely the result of the withdrawal from Afghanistan?

Only a factor.
Do you think it's the only reason?

 

[anna.]

A feeling I regularly get.

Ah well. Such is life.

Let me know if you want to come back to it with supporting information for Democrats having "all this power."

(Sometimes I deal with imperceptive & contentious people.)

Same!!

 

[Revoltingest]

Let me know if you want to come back to it with supporting information for Democrats having "all this power."

So you're still doubling down on ignoring
my elaboration, & missing the point, eh.

 

[crossfire]

It's like running back and forth and eating out of two garbage cans.

liver or fish?

 

[anna.]

What is the impetus for this change of heart?

Is it COVID lockdowns?
Is it the pushing of CRT in schools?
Is it Biden's handling of wars and Global Politics?
Is it the the shutdown of coal and oil?
Is it the inflation?
Is it the likes of the OAC in the Democratic Party?
Combination?

What is your view?

It's quite possible this change of heart is temporary; as your OP link points out, the gap was already narrowing in the last month of December. If the pandemic were to suddenly subside and people had more optimism about life getting back to normal, it could just as easily swing back.

One problem I have with these polls is their reliance on land lines. I don't know how Gallup's methodology looks these days but since landline ownership skews older I'd assume they must be adjusting for a valid demographic sample. I'll have to look into how. What the GOP doesn't have a handle on is the young, and just by chance there's a link at Drudge today which illustrates that:

Sorry that's blurry, I don't know how to fix it. Here's a link to the article where you can see it more clearly, and with additional info:

America's youth goes left

 

[Father Heathen]

It's recognizing who is more a threat to freedoms in this country.

I'm glad to see people are slowly waking up.

So you see the anti-science theocrats who've opposed LGBT rights, reproductive rights, cannabis legalization, gambling legalization, adult entertainment, and the 1st amendment (a desire to ban anthem kneeling and flag burning and mandate prayer and pledges in schools) as the pro-freedom party?

Really?

 

[Twilight Hue]

So you see the anti-science theocrats who've opposed LGBT rights, reproductive rights, cannabis legalization, gambling legalization, adult entertainment, and the 1st amendment (a desire to ban anthem kneeling and flag burning and mandate prayer and pledges in schools) as the pro-freedom party?

Really?

Your putting out state issues largely.

It's not as bad as trying to make it federal.

 

[Father Heathen]

Your putting out state issues largely.

Irrelevant. America is America and freedom is freedom.

Why are non-fundies licking evangelical boots? I don't get it.

It's not as bad as trying to make it federal.

They would If they could.