Politically correct

[Jayhawker Soule]

I suspect that many attenuate their criticism of Israel for fear of being labeled antisemitic.

 

[Falvlun]

People who complain about “political correctness” essentially want the freedom to say whatever they want while restricting the freedom of others to criticize them.

 

[YmirGF]

Yes but what dialogue? Hell you just said you refer to people as infidels. It doesn't sound like your dialogue has been shutdown. How many people are taking offense? To what are they taking offense. Do the majority or even a large group of your friends take offense to other people's speech? If so what speech?

First off, context is king. Your are mixing two different tangents to two different things. The first comment was in specific terms whereas the second comment was meant in very general terms.

In the first instance I spoke, at length, about context. The "infidel dog" comment was not intended for the person I was waving over and smiling at and was in stark juxtaposition to my body language. The comment was meant entirely in jest to my shopping companion(s) simply to illicit laughter, which it never fails to produce. The point is humor is largely the art of, politically incorrect, linguistic gymnastics.

The second comment was, again, meant in general terms. For example, have you ever tried to talk to a self-identified "social justice warrior"? It's like talking to a brick wall that is almost impervious to reason.

 

[PureX]

I suspect that many attenuate their criticism of Israel for fear of being labeled antisemitic.

No antisemite I've ever met feared being labeled antisemitic. On the contrary, they were proud of it and happy to declare it, themselves. And of those who simply disagree with a Jew or two or all of Israel about something, that doesn't make them antisemitic.

 

[YmirGF]

I find that to be a very rare circumstance. I have certainly had my words shoved back in my face by people who took offense to them, but they had no control over my thoughts. And I could choose to either defend my words or apologize for them, as I deemed appropriate. And in fact, I tend to recall such instances as having been highly informative, and take them as a gift even if they're a bit uncomfortable for me, in the moment.

You know @PureX I'm pretty much the same way. It doesn't happen very often, granted, but sometimes I do run into a thoughtful person who can articulate their ideas beyond listing vapid bullet points they have memorized.

 

[Nakosis]

What do you mean?

I can deal with treating people equally. It's kind of natural for me. It gets a little awkward if I have to constantly guard against an unintentional offense because of someone's political identity.

 

[YmirGF]

I suspect that many attenuate their criticism of Israel for fear of being labeled antisemitic.

On what planet?

 

[74x12]

pc initiators know that in time their initiative would take hold on people through collective unconscious.

Right. People's opinions, thoughts etc. are carefully molded and constructed by people they don't even know exist. Political correctness is designed to be a self-censoring system to paralyze people and eventually allow the world to be passively brought into the political system that is desired by a few people behind the scenes who understand psychology extremely well. People should read George Orwell's 1984. Political correctness is "new speak".

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I've heard the term politically correct originates from the Soviet Union. Yet people can't see what it is?

 

[Stanyon]

In the past, and in public? Yes.

People of all nationalities and races can be racist and interrace racism does occur, whites do not have a monopoly on it and I would say it is reasonable to assume it was occurring in one form or another long before any colonialist adventures by whites.

 

[socharlie]

Right. People's opinions, thoughts etc. are carefully molded and constructed by people they don't even know exist. Political correctness is designed to be a self-censoring system to paralyze people and eventually allow the world to be passively brought into the political system that is desired by a few people behind the scenes who understand psychology extremely well. People should read George Orwell's 1984. Political correctness is "new speak".

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I've heard the term politically correct originates from the Soviet Union. Yet people can't see what it is?

Soviet Union was very instrumental, also NAZI regimes, but if we dig we would find more ancient roots.

 

[Nakosis]

So it is based on an imagined response? Do you really imagine that most people would be terribly offended by you saying you do not want to live in or visit Mexico or you asking where are you from?

That's kind of the problem. I've no idea what happens to be politically offensive from moment to moment.

I understand folks can be ignorant of things I might be sensitive about. So my first assumption is the intent was not identity motivated. Even if it were motivated by a derogatory intent against some political identity that was assumed upon me, I figure I've got better things to do then waste my time responding to it.

 

[Curious George]

I can deal with treating people equally. It's kind of natural for me. It gets a little awkward if I have to constantly guard against an unintentional offense because of someone's political identity.

How do you have to constantly guard against an unintentional offense because of someone's political identity?

 

[Curious George]

First off, context is king. Your are mixing two different tangents to two different things. The first comment was in specific terms whereas the second comment was meant in very general terms.

In the first instance I spoke, at length, about context. The "infidel dog" comment was not intended for the person I was waving over and smiling at and was in stark juxtaposition to my body language. The comment was meant entirely in jest to my shopping companion(s) simply to illicit laughter, which it never fails to produce. The point is humor is largely the art of, politically incorrect, linguistic gymnastics.

The second comment was, again, meant in general terms. For example, have you ever tried to talk to a self-identified "social justice warrior"? It's like talking to a brick wall that is almost impervious to reason.

So you do have to edit your speech because of political correctness or you do not?

 

[Curious George]

That's kind of the problem. I've no idea what happens to be politically offensive from moment to moment.

I understand folks can be ignorant of things I might be sensitive about. So my first assumption is the intent was not identity motivated. Even if it were motivated by a derogatory intent against some political identity that was assumed upon me, I figure I've got better things to do then waste my time responding to it.

So your issue with PC is based on assumptions of what might offend a hypothetically sensitive person?

And really you haven't had to edit yourself much at all but feel on edge because you believe you must be wary of what might offend?

 

[Curious George]

Right. People's opinions, thoughts etc. are carefully molded and constructed by people they don't even know exist. Political correctness is designed to be a self-censoring system to paralyze people and eventually allow the world to be passively brought into the political system that is desired by a few people behind the scenes who understand psychology extremely well. People should read George Orwell's 1984. Political correctness is "new speak".

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I've heard the term politically correct originates from the Soviet Union. Yet people can't see what it is?

All of this is a great theory but how have you had to edit your speech because of all of this?

 

[Nakosis]

How do you have to constantly guard against an unintentional offense because of someone's political identity?

Political identities creates a whole new reality of sensitivities for people to be offended by. So it's like a minefield, you don't know when your going to step into something. The easiest way is to limit interaction with folks until you know they are comfortable with you being yourself.

 

[Nakosis]

So your issue with PC is based on assumptions of what might offend a hypothetically sensitive person?

And really you haven't had to edit yourself much at all but feel on edge because you believe you must be wary of what might offend?

Now you're just putting words in my mouth which don't make a lot of sense with regard to anything I said.

Like I originally said, my problem with PC is that it makes it more difficult to treat people as equals.

 

[YmirGF]

So you do have to edit your speech because of political correctness or you do not?

Again, for those in the really slow lane, it is about context. I might say something to my neighbor over the fence that I wouldn't dream of saying in a church or movie theater. On RF, I often have to edit a comment that I think might be perilously close to breaking some rule. Much to the mods angst, I tend to skate very close to the border at times because I cannot say what I am actually thinking.

How do you have to constantly guard against an unintentional offense because of someone's political identity?

As soon as I hear an anti-Trump comment in real life, I generally mirror what the speaker is saying. It saves a lot of vexation, but the person has shown me their hand very plainly and that gives me the opening I need to respond, should I choose to.

 

[bobhikes]

So the PC movement is only your boss in your mind? Your speech has in no other way been affected?

You ask for an example in real life. This one just happened. I can come up with a thousand more where I have to curtail or ignore the truth to prevent harmful consequences.

Shoot pc probably started with the first married couple.

 

[Curious George]

Political identities creates a whole new reality of sensitivities for people to be offended by. So it's like a minefield, you don't know when your going to step into something. The easiest way is to limit interaction with folks until you know they are comfortable with you being yourself.

Such as what? How are you reasonably going to offend someone by being yourself. What might you say?