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Poll on Conservative Policies

Do you support any of the following (typically) Conservative Policies/positions? (multiple choice)

  • Capital Punishment/Death Penalty

    Votes: 10 41.7%
  • Citizens have the Right to Bear Arms

    Votes: 18 75.0%
  • Lower Taxes

    Votes: 11 45.8%
  • Reduced Government Spending

    Votes: 9 37.5%
  • Marriage is between a Man and a Women

    Votes: 4 16.7%
  • Healthcare should be Privately owned

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Life begins at conception and Abortion is Murder

    Votes: 5 20.8%
  • Eminent Domain is wrong (i.e. government seizure of private property)

    Votes: 11 45.8%
  • Secure the Borders and enforce current immigration laws

    Votes: 14 58.3%
  • The United States should put America's National Interests First

    Votes: 12 50.0%

  • Total voters
    24

Laika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I know that RF is overwhelming leaning to the "centre-left" politically, so I wondered exactly what the numbers are for support of Conservative policies (even if they don't identify as conservative). I was not able to include everything in the Poll and I expect people will disagree over whether they are conservative or not, but I thought it was a decent selection.

It is easier to talk about labels, but much harder when you get deeper in to discussing individual policies with all the complexities involved. Our loyalties and identities are consequently more complex in practice than they may appear on paper or even when we vote at the ballot box. Or as Edward Murrow put it in the McCarthy era, "We must not confuse Dissent with Disloyalty". Political polarisation is- outside of a very narrow set of cases- a myth as virtually all Americans support the rule of law, private property, constitutional government, multi-party elections and individual rights even if we have radical divergences on their interpretation in practice. Such disagreements are healthy and are arguably a necessary part of social development as one set of ideas is superseded by another. The number of people who today genuinely advocate political positions that would overturn more than 200 years of the Republican Constitutional government in the US remains very small and most of those who do are not immune to the influence of prevailing ideas about individual liberty even as they argue against them.

Any way, I was hoping to maybe get people thinking beyond the labels and maybe find areas where they agree. Its too easy to get sucked in by the "us versus them" narratives and treat them as absolutes when people still share the same daily experiences such as going to work or school, wanting to meet someone who makes them feel special, trying to bring up a family on a tight budget and try to have a good time. Ideally, we should wear the labels rather than the labels wearing us. :)

So do you agree with any conservative policies? What policies do you think makes someone conservative? How much do Liberals and Conservatives actually agree on? Do you think the agreements or disagreements are more meaningful or important?

Capital Punishment/Death Penalty: I would have supported hanging Nazi War Criminals at Nuremberg and would support it in similar cases of mass murder where people are essentially "irredeemable" by the sheer number of people they are responsible for killing. In the case of the Nazis it was also expedient to get rid of them so their could not be a "Fourth Reich" or a major resistance movement to allied occupation.

The Right to Bear Arms: Giving the government a monopoly on gun ownership does make me a bit uneasy, but I'm comfortable with background checks and limiting what kind of guns can be owned by people so it can reduce how destructive they are when they are used for the "wrong" thing.

Life Begins at Conception and Abortion is Murder: I think abortion should be legal because the government does not "own" a woman's body and should not force them to give birth to a child. However, the question of whether a "person" has rights before or after they are born is somewhat arbitrary so I'd concede the possibility that a fetus has rights, even if it is only a minimal duty of care.
 

Rival

Diex Aie
Staff member
Premium Member
I voted for:
  • Capital punishment
  • Lower taxes
  • Marriage is between a man and a woman
  • Life begins at conception
  • Eminent domain is wrong
  • Secure the borders
  • The US should puts its interests first
 

Curious George

Veteran Member
I know that RF is overwhelming leaning to the "centre-left" politically, so I wondered exactly what the numbers are for support of Conservative policies (even if they don't identify as conservative). I was not able to include everything in the Poll and I expect people will disagree over whether they are conservative or not, but I thought it was a decent selection.

It is easier to talk about labels, but much harder when you get deeper in to discussing individual policies with all the complexities involved. Our loyalties and identities are consequently more complex in practice than they may appear on paper or even when we vote at the ballot box. Or as Edward Murrow put it in the McCarthy era, "We must not confuse Dissent with Disloyalty". Political polarisation is- outside of a very narrow set of cases- a myth as virtually all Americans support the rule of law, private property, constitutional government, multi-party elections and individual rights even if we have radical divergences on their interpretation in practice. Such disagreements are healthy and are arguably a necessary part of social development as one set of ideas is superseded by another. The number of people who today genuinely advocate political positions that would overturn more than 200 years of the Republican Constitutional government in the US remains very small and most of those who do are not immune to the influence of prevailing ideas about individual liberty even as they argue against them.

Any way, I was hoping to maybe get people thinking beyond the labels and maybe find areas where they agree. Its too easy to get sucked in by the "us versus them" narratives and treat them as absolutes when people still share the same daily experiences such as going to work or school, wanting to meet someone who makes them feel special, trying to bring up a family on a tight budget and try to have a good time. Ideally, we should wear the labels rather than the labels wearing us. :)

So do you agree with any conservative policies? What policies do you think makes someone conservative? How much do Liberals and Conservatives actually agree on? Do you think the agreements or disagreements are more meaningful or important?

Capital Punishment/Death Penalty: I would have supported hanging Nazi War Criminals at Nuremberg and would support it in similar cases of mass murder where people are essentially "irredeemable" by the sheer number of people they are responsible for killing. In the case of the Nazis it was also expedient to get rid of them so their could not be a "Fourth Reich" or a major resistance movement to allied occupation.

The Right to Bear Arms: Giving the government a monopoly on gun ownership does make me a bit uneasy, but I'm comfortable with background checks and limiting what kind of guns can be owned by people so it can reduce how destructive they are when they are used for the "wrong" thing.

Life Begins at Conception and Abortion is Murder: I think abortion should be legal because the government does not "own" a woman's body and should not force them to give birth to a child. However, the question of whether a "person" has rights before or after they are born is somewhat arbitrary so I'd concede the possibility that a fetus has rights, even if it is only a minimal duty of care.
I am on the fence with regard to capital punishment. Either a group of people have the right to kill one of their own with due process or they do not.

Reduced government spending is something I favor, but I think everyone does. I do not think that anyone believes a government should spend money on something they believe is unecessary. The question really turns on what is or should be necessary.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
I don't think it is all that cut and dry. It isn't so my Private Healthcare but to eliminate "private" and "force" people to take something is wrong IMV so I didn't vote for it.

If you would just lower government spending, taxing would be reduced. I believe at one time (before 1913), income tax wasn't even necessary. So I didn't vote for "lower taxes" although I do vote for "No higher taxes". I would love to arbitrarily give myself a raise when I misuse what money I do get.

Eminent domain isn't wrong, abuse is (which happens too often and still expanding) so I still voted for it.
 

joe1776

Well-Known Member
I wanted to vote for "none" but just hitting "vote' without voting for at least one gave me an 'error."
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
The ones I mostly agree with are owning guns (though with restrictions that are enforced) and securing the boarder (though not with a wall and draconian policy, and is focused more on immigration reform). And also eminent domain in most cases, with few exceptions being allowed and lavish compensation granted when it must be used.
 

Daemon Sophic

Avatar in flux
I only voted for “securing the border and enforcing current immigration laws”. But I don’t see why (until we fix our own leaky damn border) good people who came here illegally out of desperation and hope of finding a better life, cannot work toward amnesty.....just like Ronald Reagan offered in 1986.:eek:
(one of the ONLY things that senile propagndist got right).
 

Curious George

Veteran Member
You can't assume that. If my taxes paid for a very good healthcare system, I'd be in favor of higher taxes.
How is that contrary to my point?

Do you favor frivolous government spending? No, you favor government spending that is not frivolous. You do not see the government spending monies on better healthcare as frivolous.
 

joe1776

Well-Known Member
How is that contrary to my point?

Do you favor frivolous government spending? No, you favor government spending that is not frivolous. You do not see the government spending monies on better healthcare as frivolous.
The poll simply refers to the conservative position to "reduce government spending." I did not pick up on your amendment (only if frivolous) to that policy.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
So many different issues, only two parties to really pick among for representation.
 

Curious George

Veteran Member
The poll simply refers to the conservative position to "reduce government spending." I did not pick up on your amendment (frivolous) to that policy.
So you do not favor reduction of frivolous spending? I made a clear point. Very, very few people are in favor of reduction of all spending. Rather, they favor reduction of what they deem frivolous spending. That is the talkimg point. The argument is on whether the programs and agencies that deal with the cuts are frivolous and/or in the realm of governmental authority.

Consider giving the issue some thought.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
  1. Capital Punishment/Death Penalty - yes if a stricter standard is applied than "reasonable doubt" and limited to heinous crimes.
  2. Citizens have the Right to Bear Arms - yes subject to restrictions including licensing and registration.
  3. Lower Taxes - No. Cut the deficit first and foremost. And lower taxes increases the deficit as has been proven repeatedly.
  4. Reduced Government Spending - yes to giveaways to big business. No to helping the less fortunate
  5. Marriage is between a Man and a Women - We should separate "marriage" into that which is civil where any two adults can sign a contract and that done in religious settings where the religion's rules apply.
  6. Healthcare should be Privately owned - No. Private healthcare is an utter failure. But I'd be OK with the Swiss system.
  7. Life begins at conception and Abortion is Murder - Human life to me begins later on. Abortion after the fetus is viable is murder.
  8. Eminent Domain is wrong (i.e. government seizure of private property). It's not wrong but sometimes abused.
  9. Secure the Borders and enforce current immigration laws The borders are as secure as they're going to be. We need a better system.
  10. The United States should put America's National Interests First - We are also part of the world and need to balance national and global interests.
 

joe1776

Well-Known Member
So you do not favor reduction of frivolous spending? I made a clear point. Very, very few people are in favor of reduction of all spending. Rather, they favor reduction of what they deem frivolous spending. That is the talkimg point. The argument is on whether the programs and agencies that deal with the cuts are frivolous and/or in the realm of governmental authority.

Consider giving the issue some thought.
I don't think you understand that the conservative position is not simply "We should cut out obvious frivolous spending which no one would object to." If it was, no one would be objecting. It wouldn't be an issue.
 

Curious George

Veteran Member
I don't think you understand that the conservative position is not simply "We should cut out obvious frivolous spending which no one would object to." If it was, no one would be objecting. It wouldn't be an issue.
The conservatives use "cut spending" as a talking point. Everyone agrees we should spend wisely. No one is suggesting that we should reduce spending on essential programs for the purpose of reducing spending. They are charging that the government engages in frivolous spending and that spending should be cut. They also might allege that some spending can be done more efficiently but that ultimately drives at the same point.

Everyone supports reducing spending they believe is frivolous. Reread my first post and try to understand what I am saying.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
The United States should put America's National Interests First
What are "America's National Interests?" I'd bet you'd get some radically different responses to that question.
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
The only two I could check were the last two.

Of course every nation needs to secure their border and enforce the law. But this does not mean demonizing immigrants and fear-mongering. Immigration is a good thing for the nation, and even accepting refugees can make a nation stronger.

And of course a nation should look after the needs of their own people. But it is not a zero sum game. Trade between nations can benefit both nation. You can’t build you nation by destroying another. It doesn’t work that way.

And you can call me a globalist if you want, but the fact is we live on a globe. Climate change and environmental damage will affect every nation on earth. Wars and conflict in other places can harm all of us. So yes, look to you own self interest, but make it an enlightened self interest. The kind of self interest that recognizes you can help yourself by helping others.
 

Rival

Diex Aie
Staff member
Premium Member
So more people think it's OK to carry an offensive weapon intended to kill people than believe in capital punishment...

Lol.
 

ADigitalArtist

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
So more people think it's OK to carry an offensive weapon intended to kill people than believe in capital punishment...

Lol.
I have no qualms with legal hunting, and the only gun we ever owned was to put down sick or suffering livestock. Personally I think the 'home protection' side of our gun culture is the real toxic, fear mongering thing that needs to go, not guns full stop.
 
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