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Poll: Religious garb or religious garbage?

Question: Who or what should decide as to how we dress?

  • The state (or authority in power) has the right to dictate such

    Votes: 1 2.5%

  • Any religious authority has the right to dictate such

    Votes: 1 2.5%

  • The state has a right to recommend such - but not enforce

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Any religious authority has a right to recommend such - but not enforce

    Votes: 1 2.5%

  • The popular vote should decide this

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • The popular vote should indicate preference but not affect such

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • What we wear is our option alone (*)

    Votes: 37 92.5%
  • Total voters
    40
mikkel_the_dane

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
firedragon said:
Oh true true. But I am not that in need of seeing naked ladies out in the open so it's not really relevant to me. If it is to you, all power to you. I have different principles and needs.

I am only commenting to someone else that governments must oppress a part of the womenkind who wish to be a little different like in Switzerland and France. It's a great thing. Must take their rights away.
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Well, as far as I can tell rights are for the everyday world a social construct.
 
Mock Turtle

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
firedragon said:
Oh true true. But I am not that in need of seeing naked ladies out in the open so it's not really relevant to me. If it is to you, all power to you. I have different principles and needs.

I am only commenting to someone else that governments must oppress a part of the womenkind who wish to be a little different like in Switzerland and France. It's a great thing. Must take their rights away.
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Not up to me or as to what I might want. If people want to go naked, that is their right as far as I'm concerned. Quite simple, because I have no issues with such - not associating sexuality with nakedness, for example. Perhaps that is just a part of 'growing up'.

The issues I can see as to religious attire, and as to why so many countries seem to enact laws as to such - the security aspect (hiding the face, for example, or the possible concealment of weapons), the 'in your face' attitude of thrusting a religious belief upon others (obviously being recognised as having some particular religious belief) and which might tend to cause friction, and lastly, as to possibly displaying their subjugated nature (forced to wear such by whoever or whatever), given it is not obvious as to such. So, more about challenging the freedoms within a country by possibly imposing dress codes, or seemingly doing so. Given that many countries where such dress codes are mandatory are certainly not equivalently free as the countries you mention.
 
muhammad_isa

muhammad_isa

Veteran Member
Mock Turtle said:
So, you believe it is right to impose your beliefs as to 'civilisation' on to others?
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No, I do not.
It isn't about "me" and what I think.
It is about what the majority think.

If the majority think it is a great idea for everybody to go around in the nude, then that's what we get.
If the majority think it is a great idea for everybody NOT to go around in the nude, then that's what we get.

One does not have to go back that long in time, to find that the majority found it TOTALLY unacceptable.

..even in Ireland today their law is stronger..
"Under Section 18 of the Criminal Law (Amendment) Act (1990) "any person who commits, in public, any act in such a way as to offend modesty or cause scandal or injure the morals of the community shall be guilty."

Western civilisation is like an over ripe cheese. It is going rotten, yet many don't perceive.
They think that because everything is apparently going so well, that it will last forever.
ALL civilisations rise and fall, and there is NO exception!
 
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mikkel_the_dane

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Mock Turtle said:
Not up to me or as to what I might want. If people want to go naked, that is their right as far as I'm concerned. Quite simple, because I have no issues with such - not associating sexuality with nakedness, for example. Perhaps that is just a part of 'growing up'.

The issues I can see as to religious attire, and as to why so many countries seem to enact laws as to such - the security aspect (hiding the face, for example, or the possible concealment of weapons), the 'in your face' attitude of thrusting a religious belief upon others (obviously being recognised as having some particular religious belief) and which might tend to cause friction, and lastly, as to possibly displaying their subjugated nature (forced to wear such by whoever or whatever), given it is not obvious as to such. So, more about challenging the freedoms within a country by possibly imposing dress codes, or seemingly doing so. Given that many countries where such dress codes are mandatory are certainly not equivalently free as the countries you mention.
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Well, here is an pragmatic example. Are you allowed to put billboards of naked humans around a busy road intersection? Yeah, I know. :D
 
Mock Turtle

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
muhammad_isa said:
No, I do not.
It isn't about "me" and what I think.
It is about what the majority think.

If the majority think it is a great idea for everybody to go around in the nude, then that's what we get.
If the majority think it is a great idea for everybody NOT to go around in the nude, then that's what we get.

One does not have to go back that long in time, to find that the majority found it TOTALLY unacceptable.

..even in Ireland today their law is stronger..
"Under Section 18 of the Criminal Law (Amendment) Act (1990) "any person who commits, in public, any act in such a way as to offend modesty or cause scandal or injure the morals of the community shall be guilty."

Western civilisation is like an over ripe cheese. It is going rotten, yet many don't perceive.
They think that because eevrything is apparently going so, well, that it will last forever.
ALL civilisations rise and fall, and there is NO exception!
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This is a load of twaddle. Countries all around the world vary as to such things. Much of Europe have hardly had much of a problem with nakedness, possibly because religions tend to have less influence there. Rant on all you like about 'civilisation' but Europe tends to be where civilisation is advanced the most, and where so many countries tend to top the polls as to human rights.

Given that, I'm not saying that nudity is acceptable in most countries, and for obvious reasons, but this is the other end of the spectrum of dress codes, and which the thread is not really about. It is more about the imposition of dress codes because of religious beliefs alone.
 
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ChristineM

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
muhammad_isa said:
..and that is why I wrote EARLY middle ages, as that was when Christianity first appeared in UK and Western Europe.
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Including early middle eages, following the fall of the western Roman empire they left Christianity behind to take over Europe
 
Jayhawker Soule

Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member
ChristineM said:
Not really

The church became dominant in Europe following the fall of the Roman Empire. The only religion recognized in Middle Ages Europe was Christianity and specifically Catholicism
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If not "embarrassing," it was at the very least sloppy -- unless, of course, you seriously wish to maintain that:
ChristineM said:
In early middle age Europe Christianity was the only religion, Catholic churches were the only places of worship. Christian leaders sat on the kings council.
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means
ChristineM said:
The church became dominant in Europe following the fall of the Roman Empire. The only religion recognized in Middle Ages Europe was Christianity and specifically Catholicism
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mikkel_the_dane

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
muhammad_isa said:
..and that is why I wrote EARLY middle ages, as that was when Christianity first appeared in UK and Western Europe.
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But that is depending on how you view Europe not relevant because of North Africa and Eastern Europe and even more than just Catholicism.
And for example to pin feudalism to only Christianity as such might be a problem.
 
Valjean

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
mikkel_the_dane said:
We have a military and are part of an alliance of countries with militaries.
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And also a writing system, monumental architecture, &al.

A country can have the strongest, largest, most technically advanced military in the world, but if it lacks religious specialization or monumental architecture, it's not technically meet the requirements for a civilization.
 
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