Poll: Religious garb or religious garbage?

[sayak83]

Well, yes in one sense and no in another.

Explain.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Many countries oppress a part of their citizens. I agree.

But not all countries have humans as individuals or even humans. Thus we have different countries. I know.

 

[firedragon]

Yes, because those in some of the other countries aren't really humans.

Maybe some people are some alien kind. Could be.

 

[firedragon]

But not all countries have humans as individuals or even humans. Thus we have different countries. I know.

Nice.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Explain.

If we really want to negotiate everything as per a simple majority, then it is easy to strip you or me of our human rights. That is why we have the concept of minority rights and not just majority rights.

 

[firedragon]

So it's repression and tyranny you're advocating.

Yes yes. Tyranny is great and there is much support in the forum. So it's nice to be with the "we" group. Like you claim your westerner group is your "we" group. Must oppress the others.

 

[Valjean]

Arabs in their own country is irrelevant to Switzerland and France. Unless you believe that their laws are based on what others do and a tit for tat attitude.

So If you are for oppressing women, I am with you. It's good for women to oppress some of them. Right? Great.

The principles involved are universal. Right Action is based on principle.

 

[firedragon]

The principles involved are universal. Right Action is based on principle.

Principles like "I am a westerner, and I have a westerner's "we" group" like you declare?

 

[Valjean]

Yes, because those in some of the other countries aren't really humans.

In some countries women are livestock.

 

[Valjean]

Principles like "I am a westerner, and I have a westerner's "we" group" like you declare?

Yes, the US' strategic initiative has long been to force middle eastern women into cocktail dresses.

 

[sayak83]

If we really want to negotiate everything as per a simple majority, then it is easy to strip you or me of our human rights. That is why we have the concept of minority rights and not just majority rights.

Yes, of course. A democratic consultation process does not mean majoritarian tyranny. Certainly not.

 

[firedragon]

Yes, the US' strategic initiative has long been to force middle eastern women into cocktail dresses.

Really? Didn't know that. Can you show some research study on that?

 

[firedragon]

You can decide to cover yourself top to bottom. It's unclear what moral right you have to force others to do the same.

Like in France and Switzerland right? forcing others women in some manner of clothing!

 

[sayak83]

What do you not understand about the word "civilised" ?

Conforming to certain commonly agreed upon social norms particular to a certain society in certain place and time in history??

 

[sayak83]

Like in France and Switzerland right? forcing others women in some manner of clothing!

Is there some sort of Muslim clothing ban there right now? If yes, then its immoral. I am opposed to the banning any sort of clothing choice, unless it directly and clearly harms another person (like if someone wears neon lights to a movie and flashes them about etc. )

 

[firedragon]

Is there some sort of Muslim clothing ban there right now? If yes, then its immoral. I am opposed to the banning any sort of clothing choice, unless it directly and clearly harms another person (like if someone wears neon lights to a movie and flashes them about etc. )

Of course there is. Both countries. It's on the rise.You will see more in the future. It wins votes.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

I voted "The state (or authority in power) has the right to dictate such".

It is an essential part of our civilisation.
Does anybody really think that we should all go about our business in the nude?

Don't you think nudity is different than not wearing Hijab? So, in civilized countries women do not wear Hijab, so you think they are nude?

 

[ChristineM]

If not "embarrassing," it was at the very least sloppy -- unless, of course, you seriously wish to maintain that:

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Read some history, it's close enough

 

[ChristineM]

Yes, I know .. you live in France

I was talking to @mikkel_the_dane , and Christianity came to us much later.

Where i live has nothing to do with it

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

In some countries women are livestock.

It was irony.