Poll: Religious garb or religious garbage?

[muhammad_isa]

And if I were in charge you would be allowed to do as you like with the general law and so would other people different than you.

Well, I'm in the minority right now..
..but I hope to be with the majority some time in the future..
..after death if not before.

The problem with your attitude, is that most people don't want to pay for it.
eg. police and prisons

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Well, I'm in the minority right now..
..but I hope to be with the majority some time in the future..
..after death if not before.

The problem with your attitude, is that most people don't want to pay for it.
eg. police and prisons

Can you explain more about the police and prisons?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I voted "The state (or authority in power) has the right to dictate such".

It is an essential part of our civilisation.
Does anybody really think that we should all go about our business in the nude?

Do you need a law to tell you to wear clothes?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

The attitude of "who cares what anybody wears", often ends up in saturday night violence here in the UK.

And the attitude of "let's care what everybody wears" often ends up in hijab bans.

 

[RAYYAN]

How to dress?

I think it should be a combination of;
- What is socially acceptable
- Doesn't contradict my religion
- Doesn't break the law
- What I want to wear

 

[muhammad_isa]

Can you explain more about the police and prisons?

Example..
Police have to attend to saturday night violence, and don't seem to have time for simple theft, like car theft.

If a person repeatedly assaults people, they go to prison at the expense of the taxpayer.

Making laws that minimise crime is good for the society AND the public purse.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Example..
Police have to attend to saturday night violence, and don't seem to have time for simple theft, like car theft.

If a person repeatedly assaults people, they go to prison at the expense of the taxpayer.

Making laws that minimise crime is good for the society AND the public purse.

Well, all of the world is not the UK, so it is only locally relevant.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Well, all of the world is not the UK, so it is only locally relevant.

Despite having declined in recent years, violence in bars and clubs is a major contributor to Denmark's violent crime statistics.
Violent criminals face bans from popular night-life areas in Denmark

..anyhow, we are veering away from the subject.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Of course it's different.
..but the underlying principle is the same.
It is immodest to go around showing your "private parts".
"private parts" meaning things like breasts etc.

It used to be illegal to feed a baby in a public place, but probably not now .. I can't keep up .. everything goes too fast for me, including the traffic .. BANG!!

Yea, I agree about being illegal to show private parts in public, but even in free countries there are not too many women who would show their private parts anyways. So, I don't think there should be any severe law enforcement for those very few women who might show their private, as it does not harm others.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Yea, I agree about being illegal to show private parts in public, but even in free countries there are not too many women who would show their private parts anyways. So, I don't think there should be any severe law enforcement for those very few women who might show their private, as it does not harm others.

In some countries it is okay in some public contexts to show private parts.

 

[muhammad_isa]

..I don't think there should be any severe law enforcement for those very few women who might show their private..

Agreed.
..but civil disobedience is always a problem for govts.
Too lenient and society goes downhill.
Too harsh, and it does more harm than good.

 

[blü 2]

I voted "The state (or authority in power) has the right to dictate such".

It is an essential part of our civilisation.
Does anybody really think that we should all go about our business in the nude?

As for the 'nude' part, you forgot to read the footnote, which appears in the post immediately following the OP.

As for compulsory dress, Iran is busy showing the world right now how state-enforced clothing is both a symbol and a tool of state oppression ─ especially of women, being murdered by the state without redress.

If that's what you want, buddy, it's all yours. I reject it totally.

 

[muhammad_isa]

As for compulsory dress, Iran is busy showing the world right now how state-enforced clothing is both a symbol and a tool of state oppression ─ especially of women, being murdered by the state without redress.

I think you're exaggerating here.
I doubt very much whether Iranian morality police are going around "murdering women".. that's not to say that I agree with or support Iran.

The trouble I see with the world today is that people are divided into right-wing / left wing extremes.
We are being herded into this side or that, by quite frankly, people with little education.

 

[Sand Dancer]

There is no problem with going nude. Its just cultural conditioning. A clothing optional society is a perfectly legitimate way of social living.

If our society wasn't so hung up about the human body, people wouldn't try to shock or push the envelope. The puritan ethic empowers men to act out to keep women in line. We have such a narrow view of sexuality and the body and it's pretty damaging.

 

[blü 2]

I think you're exaggerating here.

You're not away that there is strong evidence that the "morality police" took a young woman into custody for the manner in which she chose to dress, and beat her to death, and lied about how she died?

And that this has led to rioting against the morality police all over Iran?

And that there is evidence that other young women ─ and citizens as well ─ have been murdered in similar ways?

When if there were any trace of real morality in their present government, women would be be given full equality before the law and religion would be one of the options a free citizen was entitled to make?

 

[firedragon]

What do you mean? For which of the cases?

Both.

 

[stevecanuck]

No, I do not.

If the majority think it is a great idea for everybody to go around in the nude, then that's what we get.
If the majority think it is a great idea for everybody NOT to go around in the nude, then that's what we get.

I essentially agree with your views on this. Dress codes are nothing more than another item in the extremely long list of things that are codified into law, from speed limits to ..... you name it.

 

[stevecanuck]

You're not away that there is strong evidence that the "morality police" took a young woman into custody for the manner in which she chose to dress, and beat her to death, and lied about how she died?

And that this has led to rioting against the morality police all over Iran?

And that there is evidence that other young women ─ and citizens as well ─ have been murdered in similar ways?

When if there were any trace of real morality in their present government, women would be be given full equality before the law and religion would be one of the options a free citizen was entitled to make?

What most Westerners don't understand is the all-encompassing dedication that those such as the Iranian theocratic leaders have to the 'word of God'. They honestly see this 'insignificant' 80ish years on earth as nothing more than an audition for heaven. They don't care what the people think because it just doesn't matter in terms of their final destination.

 

[sayak83]

Despite having declined in recent years, violence in bars and clubs is a major contributor to Denmark's violent crime statistics.
Violent criminals face bans from popular night-life areas in Denmark

..anyhow, we are veering away from the subject.

That is because of drinking, not clothes.
Otherwise nude beaches would be violence hot spots.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Both.

There was 3 categories. Two different kinds of psychology/sociology and one security. They are then evaluated as per politics and in the end acted upon for which other conclusions are possible.
So I am not to going the play the prove game with you. That is your stick. Please cite all authors for your understanding of proof with relevant citations, authors of counter claims and the final book on everything. Then the world as such, science, sociology, psychology, politics and other relevant cases for the human live.
If you can't do that, you haven't met your own standard.