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Poll Shows Trump Leading Biden 51 To 42

F1fan

Veteran Member
Thanks for your response. If we only have two choices right now (I don't believe this, but most Americans do), politically I see Biden as a primary amebic meningoencephalitis infection
Can you put this in less symbolic ways? What exactly is bad about Biden (no agism). And more importantly, who do you want to see as the nominee?
and Trump as a slab of greenish, rotten steak.
I would say rotten steak is more appealing that Trump.
As in his first term, in a second term Trump would make us very sick for a period of time but we'd get better.
I don't know. It's possible. What I don't understand about so amny citizens is why they can't see the danger in Trump, and why would they see the negative outcomes of his actions if president again? How much damage would Trump have to do before they realized they made a mistake? For some Trump voters, and Jan 6 rioters, they have learned that Trump is a threat to America. Jenna Ellis, former Trump attorney and indicted in Georgia, says Trump is a threat and won't vote for him. Cassidy Hutchinson, former Mark Meadow's aid, says Trump is dangerous and won't support him. Yet someone is still supporting Trump among the public. My guess is that they are being heavily influenced by right wing disinformation. How can democracy survive when so many citizens are disinformed? Let's note that they deliberately chose to be disinformed, and once convinced of disinformation they will feed that nned for more.
A continuation of President Biden's term could simply prove fatal.
That's a claim, what is the evidence and argument? What threat does Biden pose to the future of the USA? Has he tried to manipulate the DOJ as Trump did? No. Has he exploited supporters to do crimes for him? No. Is he lying about public health and what expert advisors say? No. Ne is an experienced public servant who has an interest in helping the USA in a braid way. Look at his infrastructure policy that has helped create jobs and make businesses more efficient. Look at his anti0inflation policy that has shown the USA to have the lower inflation rates than Europe and other nations. Look how he is supporting unions when republicans have been hostile to workers and pro-corporation. Look how Biden has worked to help students with massive debt, and advocate for the child tax credits while republicans have cut it.

So expalin what would be fatal about Biden getting a second term.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
The issue with that is companies like Comcast and AT&T are why cable, internet and cell phone services suck and are hella expensive compared to the rest of the world.
It used to be possible to get basic cable to a house, but now that doesn't exist. The packages are very big and offer wifi, and there is no option for simplicity. So you either do without cable, or pay big prices. I suspect if they offered these basic cable packages they know they will lose money.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
That's a nice list. But I'd say, if he did all that - then where are all the results?
Biden is not God.

Point is there's myriads of factors that influence our economy, thus the actions of any president and Congress usually do not dominate but can influence.

BTW, what's more important to you: your money or the country?
 

PoetPhilosopher

Veteran Member
Biden is not God.

Point is there's myriads of factors that influence our economy, thus the actions of any president and Congress usually do not dominate but can influence.

BTW, what's more important to you: your money or the country?

The country, of course.

But sometimes, money comes into play. Not talking about my own pockets. Just talking about everyone. Money influences politicians. Also, the state of the economy influences people. And so on and so forth.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
The country, of course.

But sometimes, money comes into play. Not talking about my own pockets. Just talking about everyone. Money influences politicians. Also, the state of the economy influences people. And so on and so forth.
Yes, and the #1 problem according to the research is that a majority of Americans "vote their pocketbook" foremost.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Yes, and the #1 problem according to the research is that a majority of Americans "vote their pocketbook" foremost.
I doubt that's true. While they might respond to
a survey indicating that, in my many discussions
with other voters, most of them have a party
preference driving their vote. This is fundamental
to their subsequent casting about for reasons
that their candidate & party is best, & the other
is bad.
 

Orbit

I'm a planet
I doubt that's true. While they might respond to
a survey indicating that, in my many discussions
with other voters, most of them have a party
preference driving their vote. This is fundamental
to their subsequent casting about for reasons
that their candidate & party is best, & the other
is bad.
This is the opposite of how I vote. I vote based on what the policy is. I have no "loyalty" to the Democratic Party, and I doubt that most Democrats do. It's just that the other party is has awful policy positions, so I don't vote for them.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
Yes, and the #1 problem according to the research is that a majority of Americans "vote their pocketbook" foremost.
The irony is that conservatives want smaller government and free markets, but then cry about inflation. Without Biden’s anti inflation agenda prices for goods would be higher, as they are in Europe. What do conservatives offer as a solution that makes them a better option? Nothing that I have seen except complaints.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
It used to be possible to get basic cable to a house, but now that doesn't exist. The packages are very big and offer wifi, and there is no option for simplicity. So you either do without cable, or pay big prices. I suspect if they offered these basic cable packages they know they will lose money.
That's in America. Internet and cell services are better qnd cheaper abroad, with a lack of dumb rules those companies made that kill compition (like certain providers being available only at certain addresses) and stifle innovations (cable boxes are often very power thirsty and haven't kept up with energy efficiency developments).
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
The irony is that conservatives want smaller government and free markets, but then cry about inflation. Without Biden’s anti inflation agenda prices for goods would be higher, as they are in Europe. What do conservatives offer as a solution that makes them a better option? Nothing that I have seen except complaints.
Yep. They want the free market but then don't want it to affect them negatively, thus when it does they whine.
What they often don't stop and think about is that the private sector is times larger than the public one financially. The figure I think I remember correctly is about 5/6, but I'm not going to bet the house on it.
 

Unfettered

A striving disciple of Jesus Christ
Can you put this in less symbolic ways? What exactly is bad about Biden (no agism)?
Age is not an issue. Health and cognitive function, those are fair game. But neither of those is why I compare his political impact, as head of the executive branch, to a brain-eating amoeba. My comparison derives from an examination of his record and agenda against the Organic Laws of our nation. As one example, his agenda for gun control is an affront to our Organic Laws and, if it finds unrestrained expression, will contribute to the erosion of our rights as human beings and citizens—like a brain-eating amoeba...destroying the tissues by which the body is controlled, and through which judgments are made. Again, I'm looking at his political impact on the legal fabric of our society, as head of the executive branch, not at him as a person.
And more importantly, who do you want to see as the nominee?
I haven't seen a candidate in the pool yet that I "want" to be president.
I don't know. It's possible. What I don't understand about so amny citizens is why they can't see the danger in Trump, and why would they see the negative outcomes of his actions if president again? How much damage would Trump have to do before they realized they made a mistake? For some Trump voters, and Jan 6 rioters, they have learned that Trump is a threat to America. Jenna Ellis, former Trump attorney and indicted in Georgia, says Trump is a threat and won't vote for him. Cassidy Hutchinson, former Mark Meadow's aid, says Trump is dangerous and won't support him. Yet someone is still supporting Trump among the public. My guess is that they are being heavily influenced by right wing disinformation. How can democracy survive when so many citizens are disinformed? Let's note that they deliberately chose to be disinformed, and once convinced of disinformation they will feed that nned for more.
I know a lot of people who voted for Trump. I have never judged that their interest in him was motivated by misinformation. Nor would I consider them to be any less informed than those of any other political faction. That, of course, bears as well on the question of choosing to be misinformed; if we are going to blanket them with such a charge, we're going to blanket every other party similarly. For I don't observe much objectivity in the members of the various political parties in the information they consume, at least if the sources people talk about are any indication of the sources they're using. To choose to listen to only what one wants to hear is to choose to be misinformed, and it is my observation that those who yoke themselves to the party system are, to some degree, detrimentally selective in both the information they consume and the conclusions they draw.

Looking again only at those I know who favor Trump, from what I can tell he represents to them a damming, if you will, of the loss of rights they see flowing from the misuse of government, and of the flow of corrupting elements into government. Do I believe that he is everything they see in him? No, I don't. Do I believe he is a "threat to America"? No. That idea in groupthink is dangerous, though. That I believe.

That's a claim, what is the evidence and argument?
No, it's not a claim; it's a speculation born of observation and analysis. I don't offer "evidence" for the speculation is mine alone.
What threat does Biden pose to the future of the USA? Has he tried to manipulate the DOJ as Trump did? No. Has he exploited supporters to do crimes for him? No. Is he lying about public health and what expert advisors say? No. Ne is an experienced public servant who has an interest in helping the USA in a braid way. Look at his infrastructure policy that has helped create jobs and make businesses more efficient. Look at his anti0inflation policy that has shown the USA to have the lower inflation rates than Europe and other nations. Look how he is supporting unions when republicans have been hostile to workers and pro-corporation. Look how Biden has worked to help students with massive debt, and advocate for the child tax credits while republicans have cut it.

So expalin what would be fatal about Biden getting a second term.
Lots in there. But let's not blow things up here. I have no allegiance to any party or person, so my reasons for supporting these politicians, or not, stem from my comparing their expressed commitments and actions against the laws of the country. I don't agree at all, for example, that President Biden is acting rightly—if the law is our standard—when he works through government purse to forgive persons of their student debt. Our founding law does not grant government authority to shield students from the payment of debts they incur. So President Biden's efforts constitute a serious affront to the law and to our society. Such abuses of the law foster classism and foment social discord. That, to me, is "dangerous."

I see President Biden working in such ways in many areas of our society. If unchecked, they most certainly could prove "fatal" to our society. But I would stop short of laying all of that on President Biden alone. He represents just another corrupt cog in the sick political machine that has been dismantling the structure protecting our rights for years. Where he contributes to the erosion, I justly fault him and won't support him. Where he shores up the protections of our rights, I justly credit him and support him. Just like I do with every representative.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
This is the opposite of how I vote. I vote based on what the policy is. I have no "loyalty" to the Democratic Party, and I doubt that most Democrats do. It's just that the other party is has awful policy positions, so I don't vote for them.
That's quite similar to how I vote, ie, trying to
predict what policies a candidate would cause
to be implemented. Sometimes one might
pursue something I'd oppose, but I predict
they'd fail at it, eg, Bernie & socialism. But
Bernie would likely have a more peaceful
foreign policy, & be successful. So he could
get my vote.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Biden is scrooing the pooch with his anti-Palestinian
policy in the Mid-East. It's part of a more general
anti-Muslim policy.
Israel loves Trump, so they might be happy that
Biden's support for Israel, could put Trump back
in office. For Israel, it's win-win.
 

Riders

Well-Known Member
Well, I read that Trump is falling behind with Republicans and that Republicans are seriously turning against Trump.
 
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