Poll Shows Trump Leading Biden 51 To 42

[We Never Know]

There never will be a good choice. Even JFK barely won in 1960. He was a Catholic, and that was bad to many Americans.

Funny you brought JFK up.

JFK won several now republican states(Texas for one. It may have been rep then)
And
Nixon won several now democrat states(California for one. It may have been dem then)

But that was back when voters voted for a person instead of a party.

1960 United States presidential election - Wikipedia

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[Twilight Hue]

Funny you brought JFK up.

JFK won several now republican states(Texas for one)
And
Nixon won several now democrat states(California for one)

But that was back when voters voted for a person instead of a party.

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1960 United States presidential election - Wikipedia

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I think that's a key statement.

People now vote for party.

Not individuals.

 

[Unfettered]

That like all presidents before him, except Trump, has honored the oath and served according to the law. Lincoln might be an acception with certain restrictions on rights, but the USA was engaged in civil war.

When it is coke versus pepsi, either decision is survivable. When it is coke versus cyanide, why worry about your preference for pepsi? Right now for 2024 our only concern is not allowing Trump to win. It is concerning so many are supporting a disturbed man who is facing 4 indictments. The USA has a sickness and perhaps if Trump wins and there are consequences, the USA can recover eventually.

Thanks for your response. If we only have two choices right now (I don't believe this, but most Americans do), politically I see Biden as a primary amebic meningoencephalitis infection and Trump as a slab of greenish, rotten steak. As in his first term, in a second term Trump would make us very sick for a period of time but we'd get better. A continuation of President Biden's term could simply prove fatal.

That's just my opinion though.

 

[SomeRandom]

Funny you brought JFK up.

JFK won several republican states(Texas for one)
And
Nixon won several democrat states(California for one)

But that was back when voters voted for a person instead of a party.

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1960 United States presidential election - Wikipedia

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I think that's a key statement.

People now vote for party.

Not individuals.

Why is that? Do you guys think?



I’m not American so I’m merely curious.

 

[We Never Know]

Why is that? Do you guys think?



I’m not American so I’m merely curious.

People vote for the party now days. IMO if Biden was a repub, dems voters who now support him, would throw him under the bus simply because he would be the wrong party.

 

[Unfettered]

Why is that? Do you guys think?



I’m not American so I’m merely curious.

The primary reason, in my opinion, is that the American people are both less civically educated than in times past, and less civically disciplined. So folks don't know what they should vote for, and vote instead for what benefits them. The outcome is factional politics and erosion of law, order and justice. It's quite sad. We're fools, really.

 

[SomeRandom]

People vote for the party now days. IMO if Biden was a repub, dems voters who now support him, would throw him under the bus simply because he would be the wrong party.

Hmm interesting.
Why did “party loyalty” become more popular, do you think?

 

[We Never Know]

Hmm interesting.
Why did “party loyalty” become more popular, do you think? I

I couldn't tell ya.

 

[SomeRandom]

I couldn't tell ya.

Fair enough

 

[We Never Know]

Fair enough

Though I will add with guns, gays, trans, the media, social media, etc it will just keep getting worse. People don't believe in live and let live anymore. That's my opinion of it all.

 

[Unfettered]

Hmm interesting.
Why did “party loyalty” become more popular, do you think?

Because it's easy. It requires no individual effort or discipline. Groupthink. It pushes societies from moral democracy to mobocracy to ochlocracy.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

1. Giving lots of money...Comcast? Wasn't that part of the promise (and it wasn't just Comcast, it was AT&T and others) to expand broadband or wireless broadband via 5G to every American? Do you think he could do that without involving the nation's experts in those technologies -- and do you think he could (or should) force them to do it for free?

The issue with that is companies like Comcast and AT&T are why cable, internet and cell phone services suck and are hella expensive compared to the rest of the world.

 

[SomeRandom]

Though I will add with guns, gays, trans, etc it will just keep getting worse. People don't believe in live and let live anymore. That's my opinion of it all.

I think I largely agree with you here.
That said, I always found many aspects of US politics to be seemingly intrusive. But that might just be a cultural difference. Not sure.

 

[SomeRandom]

Because it's easy. It requires no individual effort or discipline. Groupthink. It pushes societies from moral democracy to mobocracy to ochlocracy.

Agreed

 

[Unfettered]

I think I largely agree with you here.
That said, I always found many aspects of US politics to be seemingly intrusive. But that might just be a cultural difference. Not sure.

That's an interesting statement; you have me curious. Which aspects of US politics do you find to be seemingly intrusive?

 

[SomeRandom]

That's an interesting statement; you have me curious. Which aspects of US politics do you find to be seemingly intrusive?

Well honestly?
Many of the policies championed or even petitioned by the politicians seem kind of overly intrusive to me.

Again this may be down to cultural differences and what is primarily shown to the outside world, so I’m not claiming this is necessarily accurate. Full disclaimer!!!
But I mostly knew of say the Republican Party by the so called “Religious Right” and the policies they championed.
Which made them look like a bunch of busybodies lol

If that makes sense?

 

[Unfettered]

Well honestly?
Many of the policies championed or even petitioned by the politicians seem kind of overly intrusive to me.

Again this may be down to cultural differences and what is primarily shown to the outside world, so I’m not claiming this is necessarily accurate. Full disclaimer!!!
But I mostly knew of say the Republican Party by the so called “Religious Right” and the policies they championed.
Which made them look like a bunch of busybodies lol

If that makes sense?

That does make sense. Could you give me just one example of a policy that seemed, or seems, intrusive? I'm not baiting you here; I am not a Republican; I'm independent of all political parties. I am genuinely interested in how the goings on in our system of law look to those from other societies.

 

[SomeRandom]

That does make sense. Could you give me just one example of a policy that seemed, or seems, intrusive? I'm not baiting you here; I am not a Republican; I'm independent of all political parties. I am genuinely interested in how the goings on in our system of law look to those from other societies.

Well the conservative laws regarding abortion and fertility drugs for one. I’m from a fairly conservative (until recently) state. And even we would consider the restrictions proposed or I guess now enacted to be a bit too far. I couldn’t tell you the specifics since I’m not American lol, but I remember learning about various restrictive laws that apparently restricted the pill to an obscene degree. I think mostly in Texas?
There was this big story about a young 10 year old girl who was denied said pill due to the laws and suffered because said pill was something she needed for a legitimate medical condition.
There were many stories of such a nature that we were aghast at when we saw them in the international news.




Apologies for not being specific, blame my poor bourbon soaked memory lol

 

[Unfettered]

Well the conservative laws regarding abortion and fertility drugs for one. I’m from a fairly conservative (until recently) state. And even we would consider the restrictions proposed or I guess now enacted to be a bit too far. I couldn’t tell you the specifics since I’m not American lol, but I remember learning about various restrictive laws that apparently restricted the pill to an obscene degree. I think mostly in Texas?
There was this big story about a young 10 year old girl who was denied said pill due to the laws and suffered because said pill was something she needed for a legitimate medical condition.
There were many stories of such a nature that we were aghast at when we saw them in the international news.




Apologies for not being specific, blame my poor bourbon soaked memory lol

Thanks for sharing. I can see why you'd conclude the way you have, or appear to have. With rare exception, what we observe in abortion laws today is the sad outcome of two things: 1) dereliction of duty on the part of the representatives in all three branches of the federal government and 2) hopeless attempts on the part of state governments to control the damage done to society because of #1.

If our federal government would execute its charge to protect the rights of the father, mother and child (those whose rights collide when the question is "abortion"), state governments would not be burdened with sorting out what is a federal question. Instead, because federal authority is not exercised though social conditions cry out for it, state governments become the tools of political factions, pushing the people this way and that with laws and policies that do little more than ping-pong what is legal or illegal as legislatures and governors change.

It is so very disheartening to watch from within. Pray for our lost and wandering society. We were given the greatest civic blessing any people in history have ever been given, and we have lost our way. Nigh unto hopelessly, I fear.

 

[Danial98]

Seems that a Washington Post-ABC poll indicates that Biden is falling behind. Is this due to the economy, border, crime, and Biden's semmingly lack of menta acuity, or is just another meaningless poll?

Washington Post calls its own poll showing Trump beating Biden by 10 points an 'outlier'

An ABC/Washington Post poll showing Donald Trump beating President Biden by 10 points was deemed an "outlier" by WaPo in their write-up of the poll's findings.

www.foxnews.com

Washington Post says poll showing Trump beating Biden likely an ‘outlier’

The Washington Post said Sunday that its poll with ABC News showing former President Trump beating President Biden is likely an “outlier,” citing other polls that show the two candidate…

thehill.com

Trump edges out Biden 51-42 in head-to-head matchup: POLL

The president's ratings for the economy and immigration are at career lows, according to the latest ABC News/Washington Post poll.

abcnews.go.com

It could be accurate, it could not.