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Poll: Smartphones and children?

At what age, if relevant, should children be allowed smartphones?

  • When they request one

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Age 10

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Age 11

    Votes: 1 7.1%
  • Age 12

    Votes: 1 7.1%
  • Age 13

    Votes: 4 28.6%
  • Age 14

    Votes: 1 7.1%
  • Age 15

    Votes: 3 21.4%
  • It depends as to what it can access

    Votes: 5 35.7%
  • As long as it can be monitored

    Votes: 2 14.3%
  • When they can afford to buy it themselves

    Votes: 2 14.3%

  • Total voters
    14

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
BBC Radio 4 - Woman's Hour - ‘We become more powerful and sexy in our 40s’: Eight things we learnt from Kate Winslet on Woman’s Hour

3. Kate doesn’t think children should be given smartphones at a young age

“Don't let your children have a phone if they are too young to know what to do with it,” says Kate. “It's so clearly a massive issue for parents these days, struggling with teenagers and their mental health and the addiction to telephones and the use of social media, and not knowing how to sometimes even get through to or communicate with their child. It's something that we see all the time. It's tampering with a very basic level of self-esteem. But on a bigger and darker scale, it is tampering with young people's self-esteem to the extent that they are completely losing a sense of who they are, and don't know how to communicate with not just their friends, but their families. And it's making them depressed. It's clearly making them depressed. It's obviously a huge problem.”


Given that probably most of the young will be so much better at technology than their parents, I suspect her first comment is a bit delusional. But I'm sure so many parents might like to take her path on this below, even if her being a celebrity does tend to alter matters somewhat.

5. Her own children haven’t got social media

“I don't have some magic formula,” says Kate. “I don't have a rulebook; I don't have a manual. I'm like any other parent who's made it up as I've gone along. I don't want to be accused of being a celebrity standing up on a soapbox, but it is possible to just say no. My children don't have social media and haven't had social media. There are many fake accounts out there for myself, and also my children, weirdly, so I'm told. But it's possible to just say: No, you can't have it. But you can't have it because I want you to enjoy your life. I want you to be a child, I want you to look at the clouds and not photograph them and post them on your Instagram page, and then decide whether or not the clouds are worth looking at because someone thought that they were rubbish.”

I'm sure many will know the issues surrounding such devices and of course social media, so is there no one answer and it being more about assessing one's own children - as to the benefits and deficits in their lives of owning such - even if such is just a possibility rather than just fighting the inevitable?
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
You missed "when they are responsible enough to have one"

All my children have a mobile phone. The twins since being 11, the youngsters got hers when she was 12.

Something i just thought of, the twins have a vsp (car without licence) to get to and from lycée. It needs a portable phone to run. Security, speed and battery display etc
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
I grew up in the era of "latchkey children," where we pretty much had to fend for ourselves. Of course, we didn't have smartphones. We had dial phones, though there were a few kids I knew whose families didn't have any phones at all. One of the big complaints from parents back in those days was about television. Our mom wanted to limit us to one hour of TV per day, and our grandparents also seemed to have this thing about TV being bad for children's eyes. Maybe TV ruined our generation; I don't know.

But the situation back then was much different from the phenomenon I've heard of regarding "helicopter parents" who seemingly want to control and micromanage every aspect of their children's lives.
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member

One of these, they are classed as a quadracycle so don't need a license and can be driven on the road from age 14 after 3 hours road safety training.
(16 in the UK with a special license)

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AMI, 100% Electric Mobility Solution Designed For Everybody
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
You missed "when they are responsible enough to have one"

All my children have a mobile phone. The twins since being 11, the youngsters got hers when she was 12.

Something i just thought of, the twins have a vsp (car without licence) to get to and from lycée. It needs a portable phone to run. Security, speed and battery display etc

Have you ever told them how, when you were their age, you had to walk to school barefoot in the snow? ;)
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
does not look like a make-out-mobile...:D

Also, can't see kids wanting to drag race in them...:D

Not sure about the make out mobile, eldest daughter often disappears in the plastic roller skate to see her boyfriend...

Drag racing is definitely out, maximum speed 49kph (30 mph)
 

JustGeorge

Imperfect
Staff member
Premium Member
Have you ever told them how, when you were their age, you had to walk to school barefoot in the snow? ;)

I walk barefoot in the snow. The kids think I'm nuts.

They might be right.

My oldest has had a smartphone since he was about 10. I didn't buy it for him, nor do I pay for the service. That's his father's doing(we are not together).

It has been detrimental, because overall, he's not mature enough for one. He's starting to get there, at 16, but he has intentionally broken expensive phones(throwing them), hit people over his phone malfunctioning(from being treated roughly), has huge tantrums when told to put it away, and records/takes pictures of people without permission(a problem for a kid that didn't understand boundaries, but he's got better with that as the years went on).

My middle son can get one when he gets a job and pays for it. I don't think he'll really care, though.
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
None of the above. Looking back I really wish we had not allowed them until adulthood, or unfettered internet access.
No doubt it is difficult, but can you stop them seeing stuff from their peer group, so as to make it almost impossible to control what they see or do. It even might be difficult to monitor what they do on any home computers - given knowledge of how to evade monitoring will no doubt be passed around in schools. :oops:
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
BBC Radio 4 - Woman's Hour - ‘We become more powerful and sexy in our 40s’: Eight things we learnt from Kate Winslet on Woman’s Hour

3. Kate doesn’t think children should be given smartphones at a young age

“Don't let your children have a phone if they are too young to know what to do with it,” says Kate. “It's so clearly a massive issue for parents these days, struggling with teenagers and their mental health and the addiction to telephones and the use of social media, and not knowing how to sometimes even get through to or communicate with their child. It's something that we see all the time. It's tampering with a very basic level of self-esteem. But on a bigger and darker scale, it is tampering with young people's self-esteem to the extent that they are completely losing a sense of who they are, and don't know how to communicate with not just their friends, but their families. And it's making them depressed. It's clearly making them depressed. It's obviously a huge problem.”


Given that probably most of the young will be so much better at technology than their parents, I suspect her first comment is a bit delusional. But I'm sure so many parents might like to take her path on this below, even if her being a celebrity does tend to alter matters somewhat.

5. Her own children haven’t got social media

“I don't have some magic formula,” says Kate. “I don't have a rulebook; I don't have a manual. I'm like any other parent who's made it up as I've gone along. I don't want to be accused of being a celebrity standing up on a soapbox, but it is possible to just say no. My children don't have social media and haven't had social media. There are many fake accounts out there for myself, and also my children, weirdly, so I'm told. But it's possible to just say: No, you can't have it. But you can't have it because I want you to enjoy your life. I want you to be a child, I want you to look at the clouds and not photograph them and post them on your Instagram page, and then decide whether or not the clouds are worth looking at because someone thought that they were rubbish.”

I'm sure many will know the issues surrounding such devices and of course social media, so is there no one answer and it being more about assessing one's own children - as to the benefits and deficits in their lives of owning such - even if such is just a possibility rather than just fighting the inevitable?

I think children can do with one from about the age of 11, i.e. around the age when they can go to and from school on their own, which is also the age at which they start to get serious homework. They are useful for communicating where they are, and asking one another questions. But I think the amount of screen time should be controlled, and they must turn them off before going to bed (leaving them in another room if necessary to enforce this discipline).
 
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