Poll: Trump would beat Biden today

[PoetPhilosopher]

Source: Regrets: Trump would beat Biden today, more women and blacks support

My thoughts: First I want to see more polls before jumping to conclusions. But I agree that Biden has had to make some tough decisions. I'm both surprised, and not surprised, by this article. I do have my concerns about a 2024 picture in which Trump becomes President, should things get any more noisy on all sides than they were 2016-2020. I don't think we need more noisiness on either side, in the exact same way things have been. But that's just my opinion. Can't blame Trump for all of it - just some. Much like one can blame Biden for a few things, too.

 

[SigurdReginson]

Source: Regrets: Trump would beat Biden today, more women and blacks support

My thoughts: First I want to see more polls before jumping to conclusions. But I agree that Biden has had to make some tough decisions. I'm both surprised, and not surprised, by this article. I do have my concerns about a 2024 picture in which Trump becomes President, should things get any more noisy on all sides than they were 2016-2020. I don't think we need more noisiness on either side, in the exact same way things have been. But that's just my opinion. Can't blame Trump for all of it - just some. Much like one can blame Biden for a few things, too.

Yah... The news article is on Yahoo, but it comes from the Washington Examiner. They are not a trust worthy news source - they definitely have a narrative that they want to promote.

Bias Rating: RIGHT
Factual Reporting: MIXED
Country: USA (45/180 Press Freedom)
Media Type: Newspaper
Traffic/Popularity: Medium Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: MEDIUM CREDIBILITY

Washington Examiner

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

Yah... The news article is on Yahoo, but it comes from the Washington Examiner. They are not a trust worthy news source - they definitely have a narrative that they want to promote.

Bias Rating: RIGHT
Factual Reporting: MIXED
Country: USA (45/180 Press Freedom)
Media Type: Newspaper
Traffic/Popularity: Medium Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: MEDIUM CREDIBILITY

Washington Examiner

But who conducted the poll? If the poll is correct and from an outside source, wouldn't it stand on its own?

 

[PureX]

That's BS. There is no way Trump would ever win another election.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

That's BS. There is no way Trump would ever win another election.

I disagree that it's impossible.

 

[PureX]

I disagree that it's impossible.

His support is not nearly as great as his supporters and the media blowhards that keep them stirred up are always claiming. It never was. Keep in mind he didn't actually win an election to become president. He was appointed by an electoral college that was allowed to ignore the voter's will as expressed by their actual votes.

 

[SigurdReginson]

But who conducted the poll? If the poll is correct and from an outside source, wouldn't it stand on its own?

That "outside source" is Rasmussen, which is also conservative biased.

Jonathan Chait of the New Republic said that Rasmussen is perceived in the "conservative world" as "the gold standard"[91] and suggested the polling company asks the questions specifically to show public support for the conservative position. He cited an example[92] in which Rasmussen asked "Should the government set limits on how much salt Americans can eat?" when the issue was actually whether to limit the amount of salt only in pre-processed food.

Rasmussen Reports - Wikipedia

Their questions are often loaded, and their results tend to address and favor conservative narratives.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

His support is not nearly as great as his supporters and the media blowhards that keep them stirred up are always claiming. It never was. Keep in mind he didn't actually win an election to become president. He was appointed by an electoral college that was allowed to ignore the voter's will as expressed by their actual votes.

But that still means he won an election though, as those were the rules.

So he won one out of two elections.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

But that still means he won an election though, as those were the rules.

So he won one out of two elections.

He still lost the popular vote, meaning the People did reject him.

 

[metis]

Source: Regrets: Trump would beat Biden today, more women and blacks support

My thoughts: First I want to see more polls before jumping to conclusions. But I agree that Biden has had to make some tough decisions. I'm both surprised, and not surprised, by this article. I do have my concerns about a 2024 picture in which Trump becomes President, should things get any more noisy on all sides than they were 2016-2020. I don't think we need more noisiness on either side, in the exact same way things have been. But that's just my opinion. Can't blame Trump for all of it - just some. Much like one can blame Biden for a few things, too.

Polls tend to reflect a speck in time, and Americans have the memory capacity of a gnat.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

He still lost the popular vote, meaning the People did reject him.

I agree with that. However, not all "contests" are decided purely democratically. If you ever compete in a cooking contest, you may find that to be true, for example.

 

[F1fan]

Source: Regrets: Trump would beat Biden today, more women and blacks support

My thoughts: First I want to see more polls before jumping to conclusions. But I agree that Biden has had to make some tough decisions. I'm both surprised, and not surprised, by this article. I do have my concerns about a 2024 picture in which Trump becomes President, should things get any more noisy on all sides than they were 2016-2020. I don't think we need more noisiness on either side, in the exact same way things have been. But that's just my opinion. Can't blame Trump for all of it - just some. Much like one can blame Biden for a few things, too.

Biden has had to make tough decisions top fix the incompetence of Trump. Trump got away with poor decisions because most everyone knows he's a conman and just never expected him to do a good job. Democrats are routinely seen as the more ethical and competent thus the expectations are high. Any error will be hit hard. If trump was still president and this happened trump and republicans would be largely off the hook. trump has always been able to manipulate media to make it appear his failures weren't failures, and that other people/factors were to blame.

The real issue with Afghanistan is timing. Many experts expected the Taliban to take over eventually. What was wrong was how well prepared the Taliban was (trump signed an agreement long ago, gave them a heads up) and how poorly prepared the Afghan army was. The US did not have enough troops there to fully assess the situation around the country, nor offer support to the Afghan army.

 

[Father Heathen]

I disagree that it's impossible.

Do you see millions of Americans suddenly growing mullets?

 

[F1fan]

Let's note that many conservative Americans do not like government of any type. They want a certain type of tribal, community based organizing (unless they can get their governor to outlaw safety measures for local school districts, hypocrisy) which has more in common with the Taliban than what Democrats want. What we are seeing the Taliban do right now in Afghanistan looks very much like January 6 at the US Capitol, with the exceptions of guns (thank you liberal laws that protect our citizens and government from threats of death).

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Source: Regrets: Trump would beat Biden today, more women and blacks support

My thoughts: First I want to see more polls before jumping to conclusions. But I agree that Biden has had to make some tough decisions. I'm both surprised, and not surprised, by this article. I do have my concerns about a 2024 picture in which Trump becomes President, should things get any more noisy on all sides than they were 2016-2020. I don't think we need more noisiness on either side, in the exact same way things have been. But that's just my opinion. Can't blame Trump for all of it - just some. Much like one can blame Biden for a few things, too.

Well, the gas prices and the rising food prices would certainly make me question voting for Biden, if I had. It's ridiculous.

 

[Nakosis]

Source: Regrets: Trump would beat Biden today, more women and blacks support

My thoughts: First I want to see more polls before jumping to conclusions. But I agree that Biden has had to make some tough decisions. I'm both surprised, and not surprised, by this article. I do have my concerns about a 2024 picture in which Trump becomes President, should things get any more noisy on all sides than they were 2016-2020. I don't think we need more noisiness on either side, in the exact same way things have been. But that's just my opinion. Can't blame Trump for all of it - just some. Much like one can blame Biden for a few things, too.

I think it is less about who one says they would vote for and more about who actually votes. Democrats had a massive get out the vote campaign. Whereas I think conservatives are perhaps more consistent voters.

So yes if people lose faith/interest in government, republicans have a fairly consistent voter base.

 

[F1fan]

That "outside source" is Rasmussen, which is also conservative biased.

Jonathan Chait of the New Republic said that Rasmussen is perceived in the "conservative world" as "the gold standard"[91] and suggested the polling company asks the questions specifically to show public support for the conservative position. He cited an example[92] in which Rasmussen asked "Should the government set limits on how much salt Americans can eat?" when the issue was actually whether to limit the amount of salt only in pre-processed food.

Rasmussen Reports - Wikipedia

Their questions are often loaded, and their results tend to address and favor conservative narratives.

Rasmussen is not well respected. It is often left out of meta polling data due to their bias. The polling has a degree of reliability in it's reporting, but it tends to have a biased list of people polled.

 

[F1fan]

Well, the gas prices and the rising food prices would certainly make me question voting for Biden, if I had. It's ridiculous.

That's capitalism, unless you want government to intervene in commerce and help stabilize prices. If not, then live with it. Free market!!! The same would happen if trump was president. Much of the problems are from increasing demands as the pandemic recovery ramps up, and also lack of production and delivery workers. Any disruption to an economy is going to have ripple effects, and that tend to fall on consumers.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

That's capitalism, unless you want government to intervene in commerce and help stabilize prices. If not, then live with it. Free market!!! The same would happen if trump was president. Much of the problems are from increasing demands as the pandemic recovery ramps up, and also lack of production and delivery workers. Any disruption to an economy is going to have ripple effects, and that tend to fall on consumers.

I just remember the economy doing a lot better under Trump, before they wrecked it with the lockdowns.

 

[metis]

That's capitalism, unless you want government to intervene in commerce and help stabilize prices. If not, then live with it. Free market!!! The same would happen if trump was president. Much of the problems are from increasing demands as the pandemic recovery ramps up, and also lack of production and delivery workers. Any disruption to an economy is going to have ripple effects, and that tend to fall on consumers.

Exactly, and what's driving oil prices up is because of the global market expanding after coming out of being locked down for so long, and with the price of food it's both the international and national markets recovering economically with more spending taking place: law of supply & demand. The demand is high but the supply is limited, thus higher prices, but that should change over the next several months.