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Polls: Clinton Wins Second Debate by Narrower Margin than First

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
So far as I know, there were only two scientific polls (as opposed to numerous straw polls) taken immediately after the second debate Sunday night. These polls should be taken with a grain of salt because they are likely to be less accurate than the regular tracking polls that will be out in a few days (which themselves may be subject to error). Nevertheless, the two scientific polls are likely to be far more accurate than straw polls.

CNN Poll said:
Among voters who watched the debate, 57% said Clinton did the best job in the face-off at Washington University in St. Louis, while just 34% thought Trump did. That's a less commanding victory for Clinton than in the first debate, but she still boosted her edge over Trump among debate watchers on handling the economy and being the stronger leader.

More than 6-in-10, however, said Trump did a better job than they expected, while 21% thought he did a worse job than expected. Clinton also exceeded expectations, but by a smaller margin: 39% said she did better than they were expecting her to, while 26% thought she did worse.

There was a wide gender gap in perceptions of who won the debate, with 64% of women saying Clinton did the best job vs. 49% of men.
[Source: Clinton wins, Trump exceeds expectations, but few move]

YouGov Poll said:
According to YouGov's post-debate poll, which interviewed 812 registered voters who watched the debate, Hillary Clinton won the debate against Donald Trump by 47% to 42%. Clinton narrowly won undecideds 44% to 41%. She was also considered “more Presidential” by a 57% to 31% margin. There was a gender gap, however: women thought Clinton won by 50-38%, while men thought Trump won by 46-43%.
[Source: Post-debate poll: Clinton 47%, Trump 42%]

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FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
So far as I know, there were only two scientific polls (as opposed to numerous straw polls) taken immediately after the second debate Sunday night. These polls should be taken with a grain of salt because they are likely to less accurate than the regular tracking polls that will be out in a few days (which themselves may be subject to error). Nevertheless, the two scientific polls are likely to be far more accurate than straw polls.

[Source: Clinton wins, Trump exceeds expectations, but few move]

[Source: Post-debate poll: Clinton 47%, Trump 42%]

Thoughtful Comments? Trenchant Opinions? Regurgitated Political Rants?

LOL, and did you believe that.
 

Laika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
.....Let the mutually assured destruction begin!

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Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
The rest of the world overwhelmingly wants Clinton, except for Russia, they want Trump, is that where you live??
 

Mindmaster

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
The rest of the world overwhelmingly wants Clinton, except for Russia, they want Trump, is that where you live??

They want Clinton either because she'll screw over one of their enemies, or weaken us. Really, that simple.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
The rest of the world overwhelmingly wants Clinton, except for Russia, they want Trump, is that where you live??

The world wants peace and not wars, maybe I'm wrong, maybe you're wrong, but i see
Trump more rational than Hillary.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
The rest of the world overwhelmingly wants Clinton, except for Russia, they want Trump, is that where you live??
No, but we will be comfortable even with Trump. Not our loss. I see, FearGod prefers Trump. :D
 
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Tarheeler

Argumentative Curmudgeon
Premium Member
Thoughtful Comments? Trenchant Opinions? Regurgitated Political Rants?
I though she did noticeably worse than in the first debate (where I think she performed extremely well). She allowed Trump to bait her and spent way too much time focusing on him instead of the issues. She failed to answer the audience's questions, rambled on at times, and, to me, came off as less than presidential this time around.

I think Trump was Trump; he was belligerent, rambling, focused on personal attacks, and avoided the issues.



The two parties really need to pay attention to the public in this election as people are outright disgusted with the choice of candidates.
 
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One poll was 57-34 and the other was 47-42 both at around 4% margin of error (95% confidence), something ain't right. One poll shows a good old fashioned arse whooping and the other is a statistical dead heat.

Pollsters need to start increasing their margin of error to reflect real world conditions rather than normative statistics.

Seeing as they will never do that, doubling it is a useful heuristic.
 

ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
Oh my God, every single poll hitting the wires states Trump won the debate. If CNN says Hillary won in one of their totally bogus polls, this is total crap. Democratic operatives are now frantic, everyone of the pundits is saying Trump won and that is so obvious and it wasn't even close. The Democrat news fronts are all in a tither over Clinton's horrible performance, this is really bad for Hillary. But if some partisan Hillary bots want to be delusional there is no surprise. Last night it was overwhelming that Trump really took her down. Now watch this morning.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Oh my God, every single poll hitting the wires states Trump won the debate. If CNN says Hillary won in one of their totally bogus polls, this is total crap. Democratic operatives are now frantic, everyone of the pundits is saying Trump won and that is so obvious and it wasn't even close. The Democrat news fronts are all in a tither over Clinton's horrible performance, this is really bad for Hillary. But if some partisan Hillary bots want to be delusional there is no surprise. Last night it was overwhelming that Trump really took her down. Now watch this morning.

She was offering smiles, whereas he was very serious, president like her is a disaster for America and for the whole world,IMHO.
 
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ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
The YouGov poll?

Ha ha.

Ok, let's look at that thing.


YouGov Poll Debate Winner Among Independents:
Trump 51 (+15)
Clinton 36
 

esmith

Veteran Member
Pick the source you think was right and that is who won the debate.
The answer to who won past and future debates will be decided on Tuesday Nov 8 2016
UNLESS
The outcome is challenged and it has to go to the Supreme Court (if a 4-4 vote, would go back to the lower court)
Nether Clinton or Trump receives 270 electoral votes then the House of Representatives selects the President and the Senate selects the Vice President.
 
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