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Popper's Third Eye.

John D. Brey

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One of the greatest minds of the last century, Sir Karl Popper, was uniquely poised to propound the logic of scientific discover on a scale still not matched to this day. He was an atheist, and or agnostic, Jewish, and the Christian Wittgenstein is known to have poked at him, constantly attempting to infuse Popper's agnostic materialism with Christian idealism. Popper was able to place all these ideological influence into the blender of his genius and spit out a myriad of fortuitous truths many of which, again, to this day, are unknown or misunderstood. Even in his greatest errors Popper throws us a bone. In fact, it's in his errors that his greatest revelations in truth lie. One error in particular reveals Popper's third eye.

Revealing this third eye is of the utmost importance in that it's part-and-parcel of the nature of Popper's agnosticism or atheism to deny something like a third eye of enlightenment able to see deeper into reality than would be possible according to materialistic, atheistic, Darwinistic, concepts of reality. In opening up the reality of Popper's third eye, that is by showing that he both guardedly acknowledges it, and knowingly uses it, we can come dangerously close to forcing other Darwinistic, materialistic, atheistic, scientific materialists, to realize that just like the great Sir Karl Popper, they too both possess, and use, a tool, a mechanism, that's completely out of place in the epistemology of their beloved scientific materialism. If we can show them they possess it, and use it, and errantly miss-categorize its nature to imply it's consistent with their overall epistemology, then perhaps the nature of their fear and rejection of it will momentarily come to the fore-front of their thinking such that they're forced to judge their deepest intentions in burying it, or hiding it, from themselves, in order that they face, now, in a healthy catharsis, what will be forced on them on the day every soul's deepest intent is laid bear by the creator of it all.



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John D. Brey

Well-Known Member
One of the greatest minds of the last century, Sir Karl Popper, was uniquely poised to propound the logic of scientific discover on a scale still not matched to this day. He was an atheist, and or agnostic, Jewish, and the Christian Wittgenstein is known to have poked at him, constantly attempting to infuse Popper's agnostic materialism with Christian idealism. Popper was able to place all these ideological influence into the blender of his genius and spit out a myriad of fortuitous truths many of which, again, to this day, are unknown or misunderstood. Even in his greatest errors Popper throws us a bone. In fact, it's in his errors that his greatest revelations in truth lie. One error in particular reveals Popper's third eye.

The picture of science of which I have so far only hinted may be sketched as follows. There is a reality behind the world as it appears to us, possibly a many-layered reality, of which the appearances are the outermost layers. What the great scientist does is boldly to guess, daringly to conjecture, what these inner realities are like. This is akin to myth making.​
Popper Selections, p. 122.​

The statement above, in connection with an error pointed out in a thread about Popper that took place here about 4 years ago (condensed into the essay, Popper's "Systematic Observations"), reveals the rather stunning truth that Popper knowingly used, and guardedly revealed, the existence of a third eye of insight/enlightenment that transcends and transgresses his own atheistic or agnostic version of reality. In the earlier thread, a serious error in Popper's presentation of the evolution of scientific knowledge was pointed out in relation to Popper trying to suss out the difference between normal everyday thought, versus the seemingly more powerful kind of thought that comes from the logic of scientific discovery. In his deep insight and study of the origins of "scientific" thought, Popper came to the undeniable conclusion that modern scientific thought evolved not from agnostic materialistic reasoning, i.e., enlightened humanistic thought, but from the mythological kind of thinking that he's forced to acknowledge as the prototype and direct ancestor of modern science; it is (mythological thinking is) the earliest impetus for the kind of insight (seeing a deeper, inner, reality, that exists below the surface of the world of appearances) found today in the modern scientific endeavor. The grave error occurs when Popper tries to distinguish scientific thought, from mythological thought.

I realize that . . . historically speaking all----or very nearly all----scientific theories originate from myths, and that a myth may contain important anticipations of scientific theory.​
Conjectures and Refutations, p. 38.​



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PearlSeeker

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The grave error occurs when Popper tries to distinguish scientific thought, from mythological thought.
No error here. Scientific hypothesis is not the final explanation. It's just something that has to be tested and proved or refuted.

A hypothesis (pl.: hypotheses) is a proposed explanation for a phenomenon. For a hypothesis to be a scientific hypothesis, the scientific method requires that one can test it. Scientists generally base scientific hypotheses on previous observations that cannot satisfactorily be explained with the available scientific theories. Even though the words "hypothesis" and "theory" are often used interchangeably, a scientific hypothesis is not the same as a scientific theory. A working hypothesis is a provisionally accepted hypothesis proposed for further research[1] in a process beginning with an educated guess or thought.[2] (Wiki)​
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
dangerously close to forcing other Darwinistic, materialistic, atheistic, scientific materialists,
What is dangerous about those? Apart from being dangerous for irrational and archaic superstitions, I am not sure what you mean.

For instance, don't you believe you are yourself the product of evolution by natural selection?
If not, why not?

Ciao

- viole
 

John D. Brey

Well-Known Member
What is dangerous about those? Apart from being dangerous for irrational and archaic superstitions, I am not sure what you mean.

I was being a bit facetious. Nevertheless, having undergone a conversion experience myself, I can vouch for the fact that it's extremely dangerous since it wrecks the existing epistemology requiring what R.B. Thieme, Jr. calls "epistemological rehabilitation." It's like leveling a city and having to rebuild it on a sounder footing. The wrecking is painful, and the rebuilding is expensive, such that you'll find few people as unlikely to foster an evangelistic spirit as I am. . . When we're talking about a person's psyche, epistemology, and worldview, the destruction is extremely dangerous since there mightn't be the capital to rebuild, such that a conversion without the means to rebuild the epistemology can render ---as we see every day---the converted person permanently damaged if not intellectually and spiritually deranged to some degree.

For instance, don't you believe you are yourself the product of evolution by natural selection?
If not, why not?

I believe I'm a product of evolutionary selection in some ways similar to what I assume you believe concerning yourself. It's the word "natural" that I have a problem with such that I had a lot to say about that word here a long time ago. What appears to be "natural" from the vantage point Popper calls the "outermost layers" of reality, can't be labeled using that word when we "daringly conjecture" (Popper) about what that word actually labels in a deeper sense of our reality.



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John D. Brey

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The picture of science of which I have so far only hinted may be sketched as follows. There is a reality behind the world as it appears to us, possibly a many-layered reality, of which the appearances are the outermost layers. What the great scientist does is boldly to guess, daringly to conjecture, what these inner realities are like. This is akin to myth making.​
Popper Selections, p. 122.​

The statement above, in connection with an error pointed out in a thread about Popper that took place here about 4 years ago (condensed into the essay, Popper's "Systematic Observations"), reveals the rather stunning truth that Popper knowingly used, and guardedly revealed, the existence of a third eye of insight/enlightenment that transcends and transgresses his own atheistic or agnostic version of reality. In the earlier thread, a serious error in Popper's presentation of the evolution of scientific knowledge was pointed out in relation to Popper trying to suss out the difference between normal everyday thought, versus the seemingly more powerful kind of thought that comes from the logic of scientific discovery. In his deep insight and study of the origins of "scientific" thought, Popper came to the undeniable conclusion that modern scientific thought evolved not from agnostic materialistic reasoning, i.e., enlightened humanistic thought, but from the mythological kind of thinking that he's forced to acknowledge as the prototype and direct ancestor of modern science; it is (mythological thinking is) the earliest impetus for the kind of insight (seeing a deeper, inner, reality, that exists below the surface of the world of appearances) found today in the modern scientific endeavor. The grave error occurs when Popper tries to distinguish scientific thought, from mythological thought.

I realize that . . . historically speaking all----or very nearly all----scientific theories originate from myths, and that a myth may contain important anticipations of scientific theory.​
Conjectures and Refutations, p. 38.​

Popper is keenly aware that to a large extent modern science is an outgrowth of the religious mythology of the past. Religious mythology claimed to possess insight come not from empirical or logical observations, but from some divine perch accessible to all men to one degree or another. In attempting to understand the fundamental difference between myth and science Popper came up with perhaps the greatest error in his philosophy. He claims that the primary difference between myth and science is that science tests out its hypotheses by means of "systematic observation" (experimentation). This "systematic observation" is what he claims is different than the mythological insight that's based on something like blind-faith or inner revelation come from something other than natural observation. What he doesn't do, and this is the great error, is focus on the fact that the "systematic observations" are secondary to the hypotheses come from myth, and never from modern science (since he admits modern science has no access to observation inspired hypotheses because of his theory of the error of inductive logic).

Popper's unique conundrum comes from the fact that he's too well-tuned to reality to imply that modern science gets the impetus for its research and experimentation from observation. In probably his greatest gift to modern thought, Popper deconstructs inductive logic showing that it never actually occurs, that no one ever uses observation as the engine for hypothesis since no observation packages inside it any requirement to question it. In his genius, Popper knows that the thoughtful act of questioning observations isn't something related directly to the observation itself. Which is why Popper is clear that every scientific theory (and he throws in "or very nearly" to cushion the blow of what this examination intends to show) begins with myth, or the systematic examination/deconstruction of myth.

Modern science requires myth since according to Popper's own deconstruction of inductive logic, the modern, agnostic scientist, who feigns divine revelation (i.e., enlightenment from something like a third eye), has no means of hypothesizing in any manner other than a useless and relative manner akin to pure guessing. Popper is smart enough to realize that random guessing, though it might occasionally produce something thoughtful or interesting, doesn't possess the ability to explain how in one-hundred years the human mind has evolved from the fastest form of transportation being a horse, to sending ships to Mars and beyond. That kind of endeavor, so to say, is impossible through blind chance, or mere guessing. Popper knows the modern scientist doesn't look out at the world and start randomly guessing about what lies beneath the appearances since he knows that the appearances don't in and of themselves give hints (which would be inductive). He knows this since he's already intuited the truth that inductive logic (the idea that observation makes thoughtful, useful, questioning occur) never occurs; it's an illusion that much of the world is still firmly ensconced within such that in Conjectures and Refutations he says:

The belief that science proceeds from observation to theory is still so widely and so firmly held that my denial of it is often met with incredulity. I have even been suspected of being insincere - of denying what nobody in his senses can doubt. . . But in fact the belief that we can start with pure observations alone, without anything in the nature of a theory, is absurd.​

Voila. Myth provides the theory required by the modern scientist since the modern scientist can't proceed from observation to theory without nullifying Popper's greatest truth, inductive logic never occurs. If the modern scientist can't proceed from observation to theory, then where does his theory come from if not observation? The modern scientist relies on religious mythology, the revelation or enlightenment come from a third eye of observation that can see deeper into reality than the natural eye can. The modern scientist isn't a discoverer, modern science isn't a tool for discovery, except in the sense that it can "systematically" evaluate revelations come from the third eye of divine enlightenment in order to verify, systematically, or imply some element of the myth can't be systematically proven, but never giving lie to the myth since as Popper is clear a theory can never be refuted merely authenticated. It can't be refuted since some element of the myth might not be subject, yet, to the proper hypothesis or means for systematic evaluation.

In Conjectures and Refutations, Popper shows that Bishop Berkeley is a clear and present exemplification for what has just been said. Berkeley implied the basics of quantum physics hundreds of years before there was a systematic ability to evaluate whether or not a chair exists when no one is looking at it. And Berkeley didn't hypothesize his theory from observation. That would be absurd (and refute Popper's fallacy of inductive logic). He, like Kant after him, hypothesized based soley on Christian myth as he read it in the Gospels.

It is a standard part of the traditional Christian faith that time and space and material objects are local characteristics of this human world of ours, but only of this world: they do not characterize reality as such . . . What can be the nature of time and space and material objects if they obtain only in the world of human beings? Could it be, given that they characterize only the world of experience and nothing else, that they are characteristics, or preconditions, of experience, and nothing else? In other words, Kant's [like Berkeley's] philosophy is a fully worked out analysis of what needs to be the case for what he believed already to be true [according to a pre-existing religious myth].​
Bryan Magee, Confessions of a Philosopher p. 249, 250 (emphasis mine).​

Prior to the ability to verify Berkeley's amazing myth-inspired and third eye observed truth, agnostic science types could imply that existing proofs couldn't authenticate Berkeley's myth, but neither could they refute it since science can only confirm that something is factual, it can't refute it except to say that based on current understanding it has no support. And since all men possess some access, no matter how limited, to the third eye of enlightenment, it's not that strange that for hundreds of years agnostic scientists found Berkeley's insight disturbing enough that they sought counter-examples of the reality of the world which would, if not refute Berkeley's myth, nevertheless give powerful counter-examples of reality that would land Berkeley's strange insight in the dustbin of intellectual history.

What philosophy suggested in times past, the central feature of quantum mechanics tells us today with impressive force: In some strange sense this is a participatory universe. . . How does quantum mechanics today differ from what Bishop George Berkeley told us two centuries ago, "Esse est percipi", to be is to be perceived.​
John Wheeler, At Home in the Universe.​




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John D. Brey

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In Conjectures and Refutations, Popper shows that Bishop Berkeley is a clear and present exemplification for what has just been said. Berkeley implied the basics of quantum physics hundreds of years before there was a systematic ability to evaluate whether or not a chair exists when no one is looking at it. And Berkeley didn't hypothesize his theory from observation. That would be absurd (and refute Popper's fallacy of inductive logic). He, like Kant after him, hypothesized based soley on Christian myth as he read it in the Gospels.

It is a standard part of the traditional Christian faith that time and space and material objects are local characteristics of this human world of ours, but only of this world: they do not characterize reality as such . . . What can be the nature of time and space and material objects if they obtain only in the world of human beings? Could it be, given that they characterize only the world of experience and nothing else, that they are characteristics, or preconditions, of experience, and nothing else? In other words, Kant's [like Berkeley's] philosophy is a fully worked out analysis of what needs to be the case for what he believed already to be true [according to a pre-existing religious myth].​
Bryan Magee, Confessions of a Philosopher p. 249, 250 (emphasis mine).​

Prior to the ability to verify Berkeley's amazing myth-inspired and third eye observed truth, agnostic science types could imply that existing proofs couldn't authenticate Berkeley's myth, but neither could they refute it since science can only confirm that something is factual, it can't refute it except to say that based on current understanding it has no support. And since all men possess some access, no matter how limited, to the third eye of enlightenment, it's not that strange that for hundreds of years agnostic scientists found Berkeley's insight disturbing enough that they sought counter-examples of the reality of the world which would, if not refute Berkeley's myth, nevertheless give powerful counter-examples of reality that would land Berkeley's strange insight in the dustbin of intellectual history.

What philosophy suggested in times past, the central feature of quantum mechanics tells us today with impressive force: In some strange sense this is a participatory universe. . . How does quantum mechanics today differ from what Bishop George Berkeley told us two centuries ago, "Esse est percipi", to be is to be perceived.​
John Wheeler, At Home in the Universe.​

All of this leads to the premise that Popper both acknowledged, and used, something like the third eye of enlightement required to produce the myths that modern science requires:

The picture of science of which I have so far only hinted may be sketched as follows. There is a reality behind the world as it appears to us, possibly a many-layered reality, of which the appearances are the outermost layers. What the great scientist does is boldly to guess, daringly to conjecture, what these inner realities are like. This is akin to myth making.​
Popper Selections, p. 122.​

Rather than leading his fellow agnostics and atheists to the trough of mythological truth, Popper overlooks his great philosophical gaff in order to remain consistent with his agnostic worldview rather than acknowledge the god-given third eye of enlightenment he clearly possesses. In the statement above, Popper clearly acknowledges the hidden reality that exist behind the appearances, which appearances alone are availble to the natural eye of observation. Space and time, as local characteristics of our natural human world, its appearances, hide what's behind the world as it appears to us by means of our natural apparantus for perception.

What the great scientist does is boldly to guess, daringly to conjecture, what these inner realities are like. This is akin to myth making.​

Here's Popper's great gaff. And it's the posterchild for every agnostic or atheist who beleives himself to be consistent in his thinking. Having already refuted the fallacy of inductive logic such that no one, scientist or otherwise, fruitfully employs bold guesses without a pre-existent theory ("the belief that we can start with pure observations alone, without anything in the nature of a theory, is absurd"), Popper claims bold guess, daring conjecture, from the modern scientist, is "akin to myth making," though he knows, on every level it's not, since he's aware, and clear, that there's a fundamental difference between what myth presents ----direct revelation from the unknown----versus systematic evaluation of those mythological hypotheses.

Popper is completely clear that blind guess, bold guesses, based on the fallacy of induction, aren't the same as myth, since myth posits a reality revealed non-inductively, i.e., through revelation, while modern science, armed with only bold guesses, quasi-inductive inferences, is incapable of moving human insight forward at anything but a random snails pace. Popper is aware what his own great revelations reveal. That all human advance comes not from natural reason, natural observation, empircally inspired thought, but from something like a third eye of insight capable of seeing deeper into reality than is possible according to all agnostic or atheistic reasoning. Popper knows that the materialistic version of the world doesn't stand up to systematic examination (materialistic science isn't scientifically viable) even though he refuses to follow that truth to where it leads; a lonely cross on a hill in Palestine.

Thus I share with the materialists or physicalists not only the emphasis on material objects as the paradigms of reality, but also the evolutionary hypothesis. But our ways seem to part when evolution produces minds, and human language. And they part even more widely when human minds produce stories, explanatory myths, tools and works of art and of science. All this, so it seems, has evolved without any violation of the laws of physics. But with life, even with low forms of life, problem-solving enters the universe; and with the higher form, purposes and aims, consciously pursued. We can only wonder that matter can thus transcend itself, by producing mind, purpose, and a world of the products of the human mind.​
Karl Popper, The Self and Its Brain, p. 11.​
It is therefore plain, that nothing can be more evident to any one that is capable of the least reflexion, than the existence of God, or a spirit who is intimately present to our minds, producing in them all that variety or ideas or sensations, which continually affect us, on whom we have an absolute and entire dependence, in short, `in whom we live, and move, and have our being’ [Acts 17:28]. That the discovery of this great truth which lies so near and obvious to the mind, should be attained to by the reason of so very few, is a sad instance of the stupidity and inattention of men who, though they are surrounded with such clear manifestations of the Deity, are yet so little affected by them, that they seem as it were blinded with excess of light.​
Bishop Berkeley, A Treatise Concerning the Principles of Human Knowledge, Principle # 149.​



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