Porn Pastor

[Meow Mix]

One movie alone is more than many have in a far longer period of time. Not to mention the amount of different partners. Their characters are clearly insatiable, it's not a lifestyle for the wise and prudent.

Someone having a higher libido still wouldn't mean they're going to butt in on other peoples' monogamous relationships. Porn actors and actresses are still people outside of work that would still observe social niceties like not being jerks for literally no reason. Of course it's still up to the individual, maybe there are some jerks. But the point is that being in porn doesn't make them jerks.

 

[DNB]

If God is the source of morality, how does God know what is good? Are you sure you're not a Divine Command Theorist?

Because God is good Himself. In Him, there are no faults, short-comings, deficiencies, instability, chaos or confusion. Thus, He is ultimate source of soundness, purity and peace. He understands fully the conflict and anxiety that sin or selfishness evokes. He could not create the universe and all the unfathomable intricacies that it contains, if He wasn't competent or clear minded. He never would have established a moral law if He did not recognize or appreciate the benefit of it. If He were evil or depraved, He could have chosen that as a means towards survival, but He didn't. Love has always been His message from the very beginning until the end, immoral agents do not mandate such sentiments.

 

[Meow Mix]

Because God is good Himself. In Him, there are no faults, short-comings, deficiencies, instability, chaos or confusion. Thus, He is ultimate source of soundness, purity and peace. He understands fully the conflict and anxiety that sin or selfishness evokes. He could not create the universe and all the unfathomable intricacies that it contains, if He wasn't competent or clear minded. He never would have established a moral law if He did not recognize or appreciate the benefit of it. If He were evil or depraved, He could have chosen that as a means towards survival, but He didn't. Love has always been His message from the very beginning until the end, immoral agents do not mandate such sentiments.

Do you see that if God is good, then God is following a standard of goodness? That would mean goodness doesn't come from God, but rather is followed by God.

 

[DNB]

Someone having a higher libido still wouldn't mean they're going to butt in on other peoples' monogamous relationships. Porn actors and actresses are still people outside of work that would still observe social niceties like not being jerks for literally no reason. Of course it's still up to the individual, maybe there are some jerks. But the point is that being in porn doesn't make them jerks.

No, it doesn't guarantee offensive actions outside of their work, but, being inappropriately seductive was just an example. I would also include, to make the point, vulgarity or crassness, bimbo, uninhibited affection or nudity in public, drugs or alcohol abuse, ... All these come with the territory. Yes, there are exceptions, but talk to any psychiatrist who has studied the behavioural patterns of those in the industry - it's a very ugly story on so many levels. There was a documentary about it called 'not a love story', just to sum up the prevalent and predominantly dark side of the industry.

 

[DNB]

Do you see that if God is good, then God is following a standard of goodness? That would mean goodness doesn't come from God, but rather is followed by God.

I believe that it's an intrinsic quality in God. Aseity and eternality necessitate perfection (complete within itself, without consequence or deterioration).
Good does not exist outside of God, He is the standard.

 

[Meow Mix]

No, it doesn't guarantee offensive actions outside of their work, but, being inappropriately seductive was just an example. I would also include, to make the point, vulgarity or crassness, bimbo, uninhibited affection or nudity in public, drugs or alcohol abuse, ... All these come with the territory. Yes, there are exceptions, but talk to any psychiatrist who has studied the behavioural patterns of those in the industry - it's a very ugly story on so many levels. There was a documentary about it called 'not a love story', just to sum up the prevalent and predominantly dark side of the industry.

I see, so just monolithing to be on the safe side?

If you found out someone was a truck driver, would you also be cautious about leaving your wife alone in the room with them? You know, because of the prevalence of drugs, prostitution, crassness, etc? Or would you judge an individual based on the individual?

 

[Meow Mix]

I believe that it's an intrinsic quality in God. Aseity and eternality necessitate perfection (complete within itself, without consequence or deterioration).
Good does not exist outside of God, He is the standard.

If it's an intrinsic quality in God, do you mean that God is deciding what is good? That would be Divine Command Theory.

If God is not deciding what is good, then goodness isn't "part of" God. For instance, if the argument is that it's God's nature to be good, such that God will only ever make good decisions, that necessarily means goodness is something external to God that God is following; not something God is causing and not part of God.

 

[DNB]

I see, so just monolithing to be on the safe side?

If you found out someone was a truck driver, would you also be cautious about leaving your wife alone in the room with them? You know, because of the prevalence of drugs, prostitution, crassness, etc? Or would you judge an individual based on the individual?

Well, I am generalizing because stereotypes are not without merit. There are patterns in behaviour in trades and vocations of all sorts, this is an elementary induction. Musicians and artists, engineers and mathematicians, judges and lawyers. prostitutes and strippers and porn stars, there is an affinity between the people within each of these industries. Not a hard-fast rule, but a general assumption or expectation.

Yes, without knowing the individual, I will act based on the stereotype every time, for better or for worse. I will not give anyone the benefit of the doubt.
For example, two complete strangers in the room, one is a stripper and the other teacher, I will without hesitation trust the teacher over the stripper if I had to make a choice based on integrity.
But, in the case of truly recognizing the individual, I will treat that on a case by case level.

 

[DNB]

If it's an intrinsic quality in God, do you mean that God is deciding what is good? That would be Divine Command Theory.

If God is not deciding what is good, then goodness isn't "part of" God. For instance, if the argument is that it's God's nature to be good, such that God will only ever make good decisions, that necessarily means goodness is something external to God that God is following; not something God is causing and not part of God.

I don't mean to keep avoiding a direct answer, but it's above all that you're stating. If a flower is beautiful, is it because it was endowed with beauty from an external source, or that all it's inherent attributes just align with symmetry and aesthetic balance? The flower is beautiful just because it is, and it becomes the standard where we decide if any other object shares the same beauty.
Not a great analogy in comparison to the transcendent, but, as the primary source of all things, nothing is outside of God and God is contingent upon nothing. Therefore, God is just perfection in character and ontology. Nothing has defined that, except for the fact that once compared with anything else, we see how immaculate and impeccable that He is.

In other words, God would not exist if He wasn't the quintessence of perfection in all aspects of His being.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

I think the takeaway point here is that engaging in sex should be done safely and responsibly, and people should stop judging people for doing so; because the "high non-autonomy" hookups are harmed by society's ill-placed judginess or driven to do it in the first place by these peer pressures.

Sex should be autonomous, consensual, and none of anyone else's place to judge.

Unfortunately, many times unwanted children are the result of that behavior, between male and female anyway. And the feeling of being unwanted, basically unloved, for the members in a society presents it’s own set of challenges, none of which are beneficial.

It seems that while millions of pregnancies are averted through birth-control measures, it’s never 100% effective; the alternative then, is abortion, which can wreak havoc on a woman’s emotional & mental health!

In this day & age, sex is easy to find. It doesn’t bode well for marriages, as most brides and grooms aren’t virgins anymore.....

Does this have a bearing on spousal relationships? I think so, because first-time, consensual sex establishes a bond between those partners. If that’s not between a husband & wife, then their desire to stay together, especially when difficult differences arise, is not as strong. And the probability for adultery, in permissive societies, is higher.

And again, more children suffer.

I know it’s unpopular, but I & many others appreciate the wisdom found in the Scriptures regarding this topic.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

For crying out loud, how many times must I repeat myself - the harm is in the attitude and character that such activities elicit and engrain in a person. You've never heard the clichés 'talks like a truck driver', for example. There's an association between what one continuously engages in, and the type of character that they have. ....let's not get into truck drivers, you get the point.

I would say that is unfair. I frequently, practically daily, expose myself to violent media. And some of it quite so, with people such as serial killers often being the subject.
But that's entertainment. Real violence unnerves and upsets me, to the point even fictionalized depictions of real violence (such as featured in Schindler's List) can upset me so much I start crying. The one fight I've been in was a nasty and unpleasant shock.
I even write very violent and gruesome stories myself. But it's just not who I am.

 

[Meow Mix]

Unfortunately, many times unwanted children are the result of that behavior, between male and female anyway. And the feeling of being unwanted, basically unloved, for the members in a society presents it’s own set of challenges, none of which are beneficial.

It seems that while millions of pregnancies are averted through birth-control measures, it’s never 100% effective; the alternative then, is abortion, which can wreak havoc on a woman’s emotional & mental health!

In this day & age, sex is easy to find. It doesn’t bode well for marriages, as most brides and grooms aren’t virgins anymore.....

Does this have a bearing on spousal relationships? I think so, because first-time, consensual sex establishes a bond between those partners. If that’s not between a husband & wife, then their desire to stay together, especially when difficult differences arise, is not as strong. And the probability for adultery, in permissive societies, is higher.

And again, more children suffer.

I know it’s unpopular, but I & many others appreciate the wisdom found in the Scriptures regarding this topic.

I'd say if brides and grooms are getting together just to have sex, that's a problem. I think it's better that people can engage in sex prior to marriage so they understand things about themselves, what they like, and most importantly, so sex isn't a motivator for marriage. I think this rush to get married in order to consumate the marriage is why so many married people are miserable and why so many get divorced: they never really felt each other out before hand for real compatibility in their rush to get some.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

I'd say if brides and grooms are getting together just to have sex, that's a problem.

Yep, I agree. But i endorsed no such action.

As I said, relating to “responsible” & “mature”: the only person you can be sure of, is yourself. You can’t make an accurate judgement call, on a prospective sex partner when you’ve only known them, say, less than 3 months! If anyone thinks they can, I’d question their understanding of their own maturity and responsibility.
And how many are really gonna refrain from sex, restrain their libido, because they accept / recognize they are immature? None.

Too many mislead themselves, I’m afraid, and have no qualms in misleading others! I especially see men in this role, more so than women.

Desires override caution.

 

[Meow Mix]

Yep, I agree. But i endorsed no such action.

As I said, relating to “responsible” & “mature”: the only person you can be sure of, is yourself. You can’t make an accurate judgement call, on a prospective sex partner when you’ve only known them, say, less than 3 months! If anyone thinks they can, I’d question their understanding of their own maturity and responsibility.
And how many are really gonna refrain from sex, restrain their libido, because they accept / recognize they are immature? None.

Too many mislead themselves, I’m afraid, and have no qualms in misleading others! I especially see men in this role, more so than women.

Desires override caution.

I don't think 3 months is necessary. You can get a feel for someone in a few dates or encounters. You can have sex responsibly with barriers, testing, knowing whether your potential liaison values these things, and so on.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

I don't think 3 months is necessary. You can get a feel for someone in a few dates or encounters. You can have sex responsibly with barriers, testing, knowing whether your potential liaison values these things, and so on.

You can “get a feel” for someone? OK….

That’s not ‘really knowing’ someone. Even 3 months isn’t enough…based on a few hours every day.

Grief, I didn’t really know my 1st wife, until 6 months after our marriage, not including the 7 mos. we dated! (Not the norm, of course; but it happened)

Just be careful.

 

[Meow Mix]

You can “get a feel” for someone? OK….

That’s not ‘really knowing’ someone. Even 3 months isn’t enough…based on a few hours every day.

Grief, I didn’t really know my 1st wife, until 6 months after our marriage, not including the 7 mos. we dated! (Not the norm, of course; but it happened)

Just be careful.

Yeah, but you’re talking about a relationship level of getting to know someone. I’m talking about just dating or casual sex. The topic was hookups.

I’m in a relationship right now (my first in years), but I had no problem with hookups to get laid in the interim.

 

[DNB]

I would say that is unfair. I frequently, practically daily, expose myself to violent media. And some of it quite so, with people such as serial killers often being the subject.
But that's entertainment. Real violence unnerves and upsets me, to the point even fictionalized depictions of real violence (such as featured in Schindler's List) can upset me so much I start crying. The one fight I've been in was a nasty and unpleasant shock.
I even write very violent and gruesome stories myself. But it's just not who I am.

It's called wisdom SW. Being able to either perceive one's character by discreet or tell-tale signs, or make the association between what one practices on a regular basis and how that defines their personality.

Why are you in denial of, or oblivious to, what you're capable of, whether or not it has been manifested yet? What entertains you sounds disturbing, you'll never convince me that you don't have a dark-side to you, whether you realize it or not.
I have tattoos, it says something unfavourable about me also, and the only mitigating factor about them is that I had them when I was 17 yrs old. But, I also loved to watch gangster movies (Pacino, DeNiro style). They are extremely violent, and I can't help but question my motive - whatever it is, it's not commendable.

I'm admitting it, but you're not.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I'd say if brides and grooms are getting together just to have sex, that's a problem. I think it's better that people can engage in sex prior to marriage so they understand things about themselves, what they like, and most importantly, so sex isn't a motivator for marriage. I think this rush to get married in order to consumate the marriage is why so many married people are miserable and why so many get divorced: they never really felt each other out before hand for real compatibility in their rush to get some.

And that would go a long way towards explaining why atheists have a lower divorce rate than born again Christians:

Which Religions are the Most Likely to Get Divorced? - Maselli Warren, P.C.

Sex is not the be all and end all of marriage, but it is definitely up there in ranking.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It's called wisdom SW. Being able to either perceive one's character by discreet or tell-tale signs, or make the association between what one practices on a regular basis and how that defines their personality.

Why are you in denial of, or oblivious to, what you're capable of, whether or not it has been manifested yet? What entertains you sounds disturbing, you'll never convince me that you don't have a dark-side to you, whether you realize it or not.
I have tattoos, it says something unfavourable about me also, and the only mitigating factor about them is that I had them when I was 17 yrs old. But, I also loved to watch gangster movies (Pacino, DeNiro style). They are extremely violent, and I can't help but question my motive - whatever it is, it's not commendable.

I'm admitting it, but you're not.

Nah. You're just attaching needless guilt and shame. I have a tattoo, have a second one drawn, and have many piercings. I am unashamed of this, and that says nothing negative of me.
Amd what sort of dark side? I'm not violent, not aggressive, and not out to hurt or cheat people.
What am I capable of? I've been psychologically tested and there's nothing of concern. I even feel guilt eating meat. My professional field is mental health and I've even worked with kids. And no criminal record.

 

[Meow Mix]

It's called wisdom SW. Being able to either perceive one's character by discreet or tell-tale signs, or make the association between what one practices on a regular basis and how that defines their personality.

Why are you in denial of, or oblivious to, what you're capable of, whether or not it has been manifested yet? What entertains you sounds disturbing, you'll never convince me that you don't have a dark-side to you, whether you realize it or not.
I have tattoos, it says something unfavourable about me also, and the only mitigating factor about them is that I had them when I was 17 yrs old. But, I also loved to watch gangster movies (Pacino, DeNiro style). They are extremely violent, and I can't help but question my motive - whatever it is, it's not commendable.

I'm admitting it, but you're not.

I'm practically out of tattoo real estate. I do not think having tattoos says anything unfavorable at all.