Porn Pastor

[Shadow Wolf]

I think it's better that people can engage in sex prior to marriage so they understand things about themselves, what they like, and most importantly, so sex isn't a motivator for marriag

Sex before marriage saved my ex and myself from a lot of grief and misery. I wasn't happy, at all, trying to do the straight male thing. Going limp in the middle of sex was a very difficult time because not only was I having terrible dysphoria I had to convince my ex it was nothing with her.
And then later I found I just as awkward and dysphoric having sex with a guy. So finding this out before divorce was necessary because I couldn't even get that release and escape and it wasn't good for anyone involved.

 

[DNB]

Nah. You're just attaching needless guilt and shame. I have a tattoo, have a second one drawn, and have many piercings. I am unashamed of this, and that says nothing negative of me.
Amd what sort of dark side? I'm not violent, not aggressive, and not out to hurt or cheat people.
What am I capable of? I've been psychologically tested and there's nothing of concern. I even feel guilt eating meat. My professional field is mental health and I've even worked with kids. And no criminal record.

No, piercings and tattoos are misguided, you defaced your body, as so did I.
We don't know what we're capable of till we're put to the test. I don't even trust myself. I don't drink, smoke, swear, party, I've had 4 sponsored children for 14 years, and since then give a substantial amount to charity every month for the past 15 years. And I still think that I'm untrustworthy, uncompassionate, selfish, bigoted and lewd.
No, I don't have a self-esteem complex or profound insecurities, I just guarantee to you, whether seeing it already or not, that when push comes to shove, you'll see Mr. Hyde come out.
I don't overestimate myself, nor should anyone else, because there are many visible signs of my short-comings.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I'm practically out of tattoo real estate. I do not think having tattoos says anything unfavorable at all.

I don't think, I know it doesn't.

 

[DNB]

I'm practically out of tattoo real estate. I do not think having tattoos says anything unfavorable at all.

Seeing its unnecessity and superfluous nature, it must say something about one's pragmatism or sense of aesthetics, for starters.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

No, piercings and tattoos are misguided, you defaced your body, as so did I.

I decorated and adorned my temple.

We don't know what we're capable of till we're put to the test.

True. But I'm old enough and have been around a variety of people and situations to have a good idea of what I'm capable of.

And I still think that I'm untrustworthy, uncompassionate, selfish, bigoted and lewd.
No, I don't have an esteem complex or profound insecurities,

If you want to put yourself down like that. I'm not perfect, but that's no reason to portray myself as an arseling.
Amd you didn't address these questions of what kind of dark side I have or what I'm capable of.

 

[Meow Mix]

Seeing its unnecessity and superfluous nature, it must say something about one's pragmatism or sense of aesthetics, for starters.

Tattooing is a cultural thing. No more, and no less. It isn't "defacing" the body if we want it there. The only thing it says about my aesthetics is that I like horror, geishas, and dragons

One interpretation is that there must be this big meaning and significance to getting tattoos that you're trying to assign it. But another interpretation is that it's just a thing that people do (and they're more likely to do it in some cultures and subcultures than others). Knowing somebody has tattoos doesn't tell you anything about them, especially these days.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I'm practically out of tattoo real estate. I do not think having tattoos says anything unfavorable at all.

I'm not done getting pierced. I want to get a several hoops going around my right ear (I already have three in each lobe), I'll probably get a nose ring or stud, and maybe a second in my eyebrow.
The tongue was the hardest and most painful and just nasty recovery. But I do enjoy doing what they're intended for.

 

[DNB]

I decorated and adorned my temple.

True. But I'm old enough and have been around a variety of people and situations to have a good idea of what I'm capable of.

If you want to put yourself down like that. I'm not perfect, but that's no reason to portray myself as an arseling.
Amd you didn't address these questions of what kind of dark side I have or what I'm capable of.

Specifically, I cannot determine exactly what you might do given a certain situation. But, judging by your sentiments about God and life, tattoos and piercings, promiscuity, etc.. i.e. visible and outward signs, guaranteed that you will make wrong decisions that will indict you as aggressive, unjust or mean-spirited.
Now, of course, I can easily justify that by citing the cliché 'no one's perfect' both morally and competently. And, whether or not I nailed any particular flawed characteristic, I'm not convinced that everyone who knows you will unanimously characterize you as a harmless or sanctified person. No one will say that about me, if they have any sense or depth of thought.
You've lead a very unconventional lifestyle, one that is typically frowned upon. Therefore, you are not guiltless, and not for the obvious reasons, but for the choice of them, ...like myself.

 

[Meow Mix]

@DNB

Doing things outside of the cookie cutter convention of mainstream life doesn't always mean something profound though. These ideas basically condemn any kind of alt culture.

 

[DNB]

Tattooing is a cultural thing. No more, and no less. It isn't "defacing" the body if we want it there. The only thing it says about my aesthetics is that I like horror, geishas, and dragons

One interpretation is that there must be this big meaning and significance to getting tattoos that you're trying to assign it. But another interpretation is that it's just a thing that people do (and they're more likely to do it in some cultures and subcultures than others). Knowing somebody has tattoos doesn't tell you anything about them, especially these days.

But, everything is tell-tale, clothes, hair styles, friends, hobbies and entertainment. Maybe it's not the tattoo itself that denotes frivolity, but the intent. That's my point, I'm not looking for any deeper meaning to tattoos other than impetuous and misguided. I'm wearing mine because I felt that I had to display who I was on my body, because clearly my personality wasn't reflecting it - if you're wearing it, you ain't living it. It was entirely misguided in my case, and again, I completely fail to see any practical reason behind stenciling one's body with ink, and then paying for it.
Consent does not preclude defacing.
And, yes, you're right, tattoos these days are a bit more commonplace that it doesn't have the stigma that it used to. However, don't forget where a lot of it started, especially in the western world - gangs, sailors or the incarcerated.

 

[DNB]

@DNB

Doing things outside of the cookie cutter convention of mainstream life doesn't always mean something profound though. These ideas basically condemn any kind of alt culture.

As far as I'm concerned, unconventional has always been my motto, ....but not a rebel without a cause. Nowadays, I still like to think outside-the-box, but, yes, as long as there's a productive and efficacious value to it. Staining my body doesn't cut it, or being superficial about something (attire, venues, friends).

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Specifically, I cannot determine exactly what you might do given a certain situation. But, judging by your sentiments about God and life, tattoos and piercings, promiscuity, etc.. i.e. visible and outward signs, guaranteed that you will make wrong decisions that will indict you as aggressive, unjust or mean-spirited.

Not likely. But with that attitude it seems likely you will continue to make baseless, wrong, amd highly judgemental assumptions.

You've lead a very unconventional lifestyle, one that is typically frowned upon.

I don't care if people frown. I've not harmed them, but yes, I know they frown and stare and sneer. I moved out of Indiana because the people there make assumptions such as you are, and it makes life unpleasant to draw stares and expressions of shock and disgust just because you exist as you are.

Therefore, you are not guiltless, and not for the obvious reasons, but for the choice of them, ...like myself.

What guilt? What choices?
I'm not the one claiming another will be an aggressor based on fantasy assumptions.
You are the Christian. You may want to read up on what Jesus said about judging others.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

As far as I'm concerned, unconventional has always been my motto, ....but not a rebel without a cause. Nowadays, I still like to think outside-the-box, but, yes, as long as there's a productive and efficacious value to it. Staining my body doesn't cut it, or being superficial about something (attire, venues, friends).

You're a Christian. That's as cookie cutter and conventional as it gets here.

 

[Meow Mix]

But, everything is tell-tale, clothes, hair styles, friends, hobbies and entertainment. Maybe it's not the tattoo itself that denotes frivolity, but the intent. That's my point, I'm not looking for any deeper meaning to tattoos other than impetuous and misguided. I'm wearing mine because I felt that I had to display who I was on my body, because clearly my personality wasn't reflecting it - if you're wearing it, you ain't living it. It was entirely misguided in my case, and again, I completely fail to see any practical reason behind stenciling one's body with ink, and then paying for it.
Consent does not preclude defacing.
And, yes, you're right, tattoos these days are a bit more commonplace that it doesn't have the stigma that it used to. However, don't forget where a lot of it started, especially in the western world - gangs, sailors or the incarcerated.

I don't think everything is tell-tale. There is usually some sort of group of mainstream cultures in terms of dress and styling, and there are usually outlying cultures of dress and styling. I think it's as simple as that. It's like a bell curve. Kids might do alt stuff to try to be unique (thus the whole joke of conforming to nonconformity), but otherwise people do it simply because they're attracted to the styles, or to feel community with the people they're around.

I just put on a retro pin-up avatar before responding to this. Why? Well, because I'm silly with avatars, but I can make a point with it. I like the style. I have a lot of vintage and vintage-looking clothing. Does that say anything deep and profound about me? Of course not, it just means that I like a thing. The same thing goes for other means of presentation and expression.

If someone has a lot of tattoos, chances are they're just more associated with a subculture that values them as a means of expression. It doesn't make anyone impetuous or misguided, and this whole moralization of every little thing people do just leads to completely unnecessary judgmentalism. I would argue that judgmentalism is more of a vice than any of these things you're trying to pass unnecessary judgment on and trying to fill with nefarious meanings that just aren't there.

As for tattoos starting with gangs and sailors, so what? It doesn't matter where things originate or end. Makeup started with rich men, for instance. So what? Let people enjoy things, for crying out loud

 

[Meow Mix]

If we're going to moralize stylistic choices can we go after men's baggy cargo shorts?

 

[Meow Mix]

As far as I'm concerned, unconventional has always been my motto, ....but not a rebel without a cause. Nowadays, I still like to think outside-the-box, but, yes, as long as there's a productive and efficacious value to it. Staining my body doesn't cut it, or being superficial about something (attire, venues, friends).

Is complaining about choices other people make about things as simple as how they look or what they do with their bodies really a "cause" though? Or is that being a rebel without a cause?

People may simply disagree that every action and every choice has to be this whole spiritual, meaningful thing.

I have a tattoo of a cupcake on my wrist. Why? Because I like the silly thing

 

[Meow Mix]

@DNB I will also put it this way: there are a lot more people with tattoos, piercings, other "alt" looks that I would trust behind my back or trust with my property or even with my life than your run of the mill vanilla looking guys or gals.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Is complaining about choices other people make about things as simple as how they look or what they do with their bodies really a "cause" though? Or is that being a rebel without a cause?

A lot of times it's called hypocrisy. And definitely we can see in this thread how it's more problematic than the things being claimed as problematic.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

As for tattoos starting with gangs and sailors, so what? It doesn't matter where things originate or end. Makeup started with rich men, for instance. So what? Let people enjoy things, for crying out loud

That reminds me I need to paint my nails so I have my normal look tomorrow getting back to work after a lengthy down period. I basically look like I could be in a punk band. No one--except the judgemental--cares.

 

[Meow Mix]

A lot of times it's called hypocrisy. And definitely we can see in this thread how it's more problematic than the things being claimed as problematic.

Any time I've ever been accosted or sexually harassed or anything like that it's usually come from a "normal looking" fratboy *********. But I wouldn't presume anyone dressed preppy is a bad person. It's this whole judging books by covers thing that's a problem.