Praising Putin.

[Triumph]

There are many different sects of Abrahamic religion.
satan causes people to hate each other .. not G-d.

War breeds hate .. it is not easy to forgive people due to atrocities of war.

People should be free to follow the religion of their choice .. unless it oppresses others.
The finger of blame does not prevent wars .. it encourages them.

Satan is just a word for people that will kill other people for not following them believing as they believe.
I agree, war breeds hate. God is Love not hate.
Jesus was killed for the crime of "blasphemy" teaching against the Abrahamic religion Jews supported. Jesus died being peaceful not killing anyone, supporting his God given right to freedom of speech and his God granted right to believe in his religion while obeying the Command from God to not kill.
Jesus gave us a parable that all are given the same reward of salvation if they spent their entire life in service or just understood the truth serving truth late in life.
The people serving longer wanted a greater reward but Jesus taught no, the reward is equal for all people none exalted above another.
God allows everyone their entire natural life to learn the peaceful truth that Jesus taught. No life is to be cut short by fanatics that demand join us, pay us or die now. Jesus said all that came before him were robbers and thieves. God never demanded anyone to pay money to keep from being killed and everyone has their God granted right to life. Religion is to be taught with kindness and mercy not death threats and robbery.

 

[Ella S.]

That's your summary not mine.

The point of the thread-seeder is that war is not evil. And that only the leader of a nation can determine when war is justified for his nation. The responsibilities of those who he wars with, are to win the war, not to cry foul, as though he is evil for doing what is righteous in the eyes of God: defending one's nations from enemies foreign or domestic.

What I hear from the Western media is a cacophony of cries about how Putin is evil for conducting war. They don't mention that when Gorbachev negotiated the peaceful dismantling of the USSR, one of the promises the West gave him was that Ukraine would not be allowed to become a member of a Western alliance aligned against mother Russia.

Putin is correct to be conducting the war he's conducting. And the West is engaged in a war of words against him that are, their words, "evil," in every sense of that word.



John

War is a pretty term for genocide.

 

[John D. Brey]

War is a pretty term for genocide.

What do you find pretty about it?



John

 

[Ella S.]

What do you find pretty about it?



John

I don't but you seem to prefer it.

 

[John D. Brey]

I don't but you seem to prefer it.

Prefer it to what? Apparently the Ukrainians prefer it to loss of their freedom? Do you see loss of freedom preferable to war? If the Ukrainians bowed to whatever Russia wanted there would be no war in Ukraine right now.

If the Western Allies and Russia let Hitler have all of Europe free for the taking there would have been no WWII. Would you have preferred that to the war? If the North had let the South keep their slaves there would be no BLM today. Would you prefer that to the war?

I prefer war to loss of freedom. I prefer war to slavery to a tyrannous demagogue. I prefer war to being raped and and beatin and stolen from. Yes. You could say I prefer war in those cases.



John

 

[F1fan]

Prefer it to what? Apparently the Ukrainians prefer it to loss of their freedom? Do you see loss of freedom preferable to war? If the Ukrainians bowed to whatever Russian wanted there would be no war in Ukraine right now.

Funny how you avoided the most relevant "what if" and that is if Putin wasn't a criminal and respected Ukraine as an independent nation and didn't invade, there would be no illegal war going on. But Ukraine is behaving as any sovereign nation would, and that is to defend itself from an hostile invader that has no right to what it wants.

I prefer war to loss of freedom. I prefer war to slavery to a tyrannous demagogue. I prefer war to being raped and and beatin and stolen from. Yes. You could say I prefer war in those cases.

But do you prefer peace to war? Would you prefer Putin had decided NOT to invade Ukraine?

 

[John D. Brey]

Funny how you avoided the most relevant "what if" and that is if Putin wasn't a criminal and respected Ukraine as an independent nation and didn't invade, there would be no illegal war going on.

In my opinion it does no good to disarm, and become a peaceful nation, and then when a tyrant attacks, wring your hands about how wrong it is that they're taking everything from you.

Case in point. Ukraine had numerous nuclear weapons that would have guarded their freedom and independence. But they trusted their freedom and independence to promises and good will gestures rather than the weapons of war.

It's sad but true, freedom comes out of the barrel of a gun, or out of a nuclear silo. That's the only thing liars and tyrants fear: their own destruction. And they (the tyrants) are going to have weapons of war. Count on that. You better too.



John

 

[John D. Brey]

But do you prefer peace to war? Would you prefer Putin had decided NOT to invade Ukraine?

My stance throughout this thread has been that when you have so many people living in denial about human nature, such as the fact that war has been a part of human history from the start, and will be till the finish, then Putin is doing the whole world a great service by reminding the world that nature abhors a vacuum. As Douglas MacArthur stated it, all wars are fought over undefended wealth.

Neither Russia, nor China, are ever going to just fit right into the Western panacea of a peaceful world of equal trading partners. It does no good to wring our hands about that. The wise leaders of the USA know that you have to carry a big stick if you want to be left alone.



John

 

[F1fan]

My stance throughout this thread has been that when you have so many people living in denial about human nature, such as the fact that war has been a part of human history from the start, and will be till the finish, then Putin is doing the whole world a great service by reminding the world that nature abhors a vacuum. As Douglas MacArthur stated it, all wars are fought over undefended wealth.

Yet the only people in detail about human nature are those who justify what they believe is true when it isn't, like your view on things. Putin is serving no purpose whatsoever except to pursue his greed and criminal aims. Humanity has plenty of histories that inform us of poor political policies like waging war. Putin is just an exception since he isn't a rational thinker.

Neither Russia, nor China, are ever going to just fit right into the Western panacea of a peaceful world of equal trading partners.

Then they will lose economic partners and suffer greatly until they adjust their attitudes. But It appears China is being vastly wiser than Putin, and perhaps learning quite a bit about global politics and the power of a unified world against war.

It does no good to wring our hands about that. The wise leaders of the USA know that you have to carry a big stick if you want to be left alone.

Or be valuable to the global markets that render you vital and not wise to attack. Those who attack America tend to be fringe global actors. Chine needs the global markets and can't afford to **** off anyone. Cooperation and compromises is the best approach, and Putin is too dumb to understand this. He knows now he's not as smart as he thought he was. What Putin will do next is anyone's guess, and the guesses include will he use nuclear weapons. At some point your praise will be as misguided as Putin's war.

 

[John D. Brey]

Yet the only people in detail about human nature are those who justify what they believe is true when it isn't, like your view on things. Putin is serving no purpose whatsoever except to pursue his greed and criminal aims. Humanity has plenty of histories that inform us of poor political policies like waging war. Putin is just an exception since he isn't a rational thinker.

Your statement that Putin is serving no purposes whatsoever except to pursue his greed and criminal aims is your interpretation of what Putin is doing, and why he's doing it. And you must be correct, since you believe it. Right?

I don't. I don't believe your interpretation of Putin is correct at all. But then that must be because my interpretation of Putin's actions is compatible with my worldview and not yours, and yours is naturally true to you since it's yours. How profound.



John

 

[F1fan]

Your statement that Putin is serving no purposes whatsoever except to pursue his greed and criminal aims is your interpretation of what Putin is doing, and why he's doing it. And you must be correct, since you believe it. Right?

No, it's based on observations of what Putin does, and on what he has said over the last decade. The rhetoric against Ukraine has grown over time, and the motives are clear. Of course the rationale is absurd and disturbing. Now it is an illegal war and Putin a war criminal.

I don't. I don't believe your interpretation of Putin is correct at all. But then that must be because my interpretation of Putin's actions is compatible with my worldview and not yours, and yours is naturally true to you since it's yours. How profound.

Well you wouldn't be as fun if you made sound conclusions. You are known for your outlandish beliefs, claims, and interpretations. You even have to evade the questions about the dead mothers and children because, well, you know. This thread might top them all, praising a war criminal and all.

 

[Triumph]

In my opinion it does no good to disarm, and become a peaceful nation, and then when a tyrant attacks, wring your hands about how wrong it is that they're taking everything from you.

Case in point. Ukraine had numerous nuclear weapons that would have guarded their freedom and independence. But they trusted their freedom and independence to promises and good will gestures rather than the weapons of war.

It's sad but true, freedom comes out of the barrel of a gun, or out of a nuclear silo. That's the only thing liars and tyrants fear: their own destruction. And they (the tyrants) are going to have weapons of war. Count on that. You better too.



John

Here is something you might be interested in viewing. NUKEMAP by Alex Wellerstein be sure to check the fallout box and casualties. Most used will be airburst not surface.
https//nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/

 

[John D. Brey]

Here is something you might be interested in viewing. NUKEMAP by Alex Wellerstein be sure to check the fallout box and casualties. Most used will be airburst not surface.
https//nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/

Scary stuff. And yet it may be coming soon to a neighborhood near you.




John

 

[RestlessSoul]

My stance throughout this thread has been that when you have so many people living in denial about human nature, such as the fact that war has been a part of human history from the start, and will be till the finish, then Putin is doing the whole world a great service by reminding the world that nature abhors a vacuum. As Douglas MacArthur stated it, all wars are fought over undefended wealth.

Neither Russia, nor China, are ever going to just fit right into the Western panacea of a peaceful world of equal trading partners. It does no good to wring our hands about that. The wise leaders of the USA know that you have to carry a big stick if you want to be left alone.



John

It’s not entirely certain that war has been with us since the beginning. It appears to have become a widespread phenomenon from about 3-4,000 years ago, due perhaps to competition for resources, and no doubt enabled by Bronze Age technologies. Homo Sapiens has been around for, what, 60-100,000 years? And war for 4,000. So perhaps one day, we can beat our swords into ploughshares. Better do it soon though.

The MacArthur statement is interesting. Particularly if one considers Matthew 6:19-20

 

[Triumph]

Scary stuff. And yet it may be coming soon to a neighborhood near you.




John

Nuclear winter, the frost of heaven reserved to end the final war spoken of in Job (gendered by man not by God is the answer), will be coming to everyone's neighborhood. The problem is nuclear fission is the self sustaining fire of hell and when a large number of nuclear power plants are in meltdown there is no recovery after that. So it won't just be the firestorms and volcanic eruptions causing global cooling, it will be a massive amount of growing radiation on the Jetstream circling the globe that will make it impossible to survive WW3..Radiation is the "worm in the gourd" hanging above Jonahs head with him trapped unable to do anything about it.
When the ice age thaws all the nuclear power plants and holding tanks around the globe go into permanent meltdown releasing flesh burning radiation as long as this planet exists.

 

[John D. Brey]

Nuclear winter, the frost of heaven reserved to end the final war spoken of in Job (gendered by man not by God is the answer), will be coming to everyone's neighborhood. The problem is nuclear fission is the self sustaining fire of hell and when a large number of nuclear power plants are in meltdown there is no recovery after that. So it won't just be the firestorms and volcanic eruptions causing global cooling, it will be a massive amount of growing radiation on the Jetstream circling the globe that will make it impossible to survive WW3..Radiation is the "worm in the gourd" hanging above Jonahs head with him trapped unable to do anything about it.
When the ice age thaws all the nuclear power plants and holding tanks around the globe go into permanent meltdown releasing flesh burning radiation as long as this planet exists.

Sounds like a Norman Rockwell painting.




John

 

[Triumph]

Sounds like a Norman Rockwell painting.




John

I'm disappointed in myself for thinking that's funny but it's hilarious. Perfect foil.

 

[Triumph]

Sounds like a Norman Rockwell painting.




John

The prophetic future "Babylon" is the nuclear power industry that makes merchants rich with cheap electricity that unifies homes into a city.
The power plant sits like a queen always built by water to cool her rods claiming to be safe for the public she serves because her needs are always cared for like a husband. But as a prime war target, she will burn with fire in meltdown. The harlot daughter of Babylon that can be bought and sold to those rich enough to attain her, that all the kings/rulers of the world desire that is made from waste is a thermonuclear weapon made from nuclear waste.
In scripture a nation is not only called a tree but also a mountain. The foothills below the mountain represents the military that supports those at the top of the mountain and to get to the ruler at the top those hills must be passed over. The 7 hills that harlot sits on are the 7 nuclear empowered nations that will fight in the final war on Earth, Thermonuclear WW3. What they do not see is once they enter that harlot's bloody bed they never are able to rise out of it and will not recover from her disease.

 

[John D. Brey]

The prophetic future "Babylon" is the nuclear power industry that makes merchants rich with cheap electricity that unifies homes into a city.
The power plant sits like a queen always built by water to cool her rods claiming to be safe for the public she serves because her needs are always cared for like a husband. But as a prime war target, she will burn with fire in meltdown. The harlot daughter of Babylon that can be bought and sold to those rich enough to attain her, that all the kings/rulers of the world desire that is made from waste is a thermonuclear weapon made from nuclear waste.
In scripture a nation is not only called a tree but also a mountain. The foothills below the mountain represents the military that supports those at the top of the mountain and to get to the ruler at the top those hills must be passed over. The 7 hills that harlot sits on are the 7 nuclear empowered nations that will fight in the final war on Earth, Thermonuclear WW3. What they do not see is once they enter that harlot's bloody bed they never are able to rise out of it and will not recover from her disease.

Long lost Phillip K. Dick movie script?



John

 

[Triumph]

Long lost Phillip K. Dick movie script?



John

REVELATION 18
and
Revelation 1:20
The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches."
The right hand is the military.
A church is an assembly of people of the same beliefs. The mystery revealed is these assemblies are nations. 7 nations and the 7 golden candlesticks are fighter jets fully loaded with coals of fire beneath their wings, missiles. These angels=messengers are pilots/air forces that support their nations with the message follow the laws of our nation or die.
These are the 7 nuclear armed nations that fight in thermonuclear World War 3, the Beast.