Praising Putin.

[Wildswanderer]

I agree. Unfortunately, it's far too easy for those opposed to the war, and the aggressor, to exaggerate the situation. And we well know how willing the Western media is to lie about things in order to foster their version of the truth.

With all the bombing that has taken place, if the civilian causality count given by the Western media is correct, Putin and the Russians shouldn't need any naval support since they can walk on water. It would be a miracle if you could drop as many bombs as Russia has and only kill the number of civilians the Western media claims have been killed.

There's a clear contradiction between saying Putin is targeting civilians, and the fact that according to the numbers, he has miraculously be able to bomb the hell out of Ukraine without killing anything like the number of civilians any other country would have killed under the same circumstances.



John

It's a terribly run war from all accounts. You don't have to get all your information from the MSM BTW.

 

[Revoltingest]

...but her ideas come from a place of pure selfishness and greed.

You're forgetting integrity & independent thought.
These are better than what she railed against,
ie, altruism & a hive mind that doesn't value
individual autonomy.

 

[Clara Tea]

In the thread discussing St. Paul's take on same-sex marriage, a theory was proffered that, if it's fully understood, leads to praise for Vladimir Putin. While the whole world gangs up on Putin, in truth, Putin is more like the character John Galt in Putin's fellow citizen's universally renown book Atlas Shrugged.

Though today's Christians pile on to the gang rape of Putin, their ancient ancestors, to include St. Paul, and the other Apostles, would be appalled at the Putin haters and not at Putin himself; they'd be appalled that Christians have become so blind and so willing to sell their soul for a crust of bread from their globalist, universalist, humanist, masters.

May our Lord strengthen Putin and enfeeble the feeble-minded oblivious to the fact that in their lust to destroy Putin they're actually destroying the world with whom they're so madly in love (1 John 2:15).

John

God said "thou shalt not kill." President W. Bush lied us into war with the Taliban (religious and political leaders of Afghanistan) and Iraq by conflating 911 terrorism with them. Actually, the Taliban had captured bin Laden and his top aides just 9 days after the 911 attack and offered to turn them over to the United States if they proved a link to terrorism (which they could not do). W. Bush attacked it's own allies (the Taliban) because they didn't do exactly as demanded when W. Bush ordered them to do so. Then W. Bush "bore false witness" against the Taliban." Again, W. Bush "bore false witness" against Iraq, calling one of their leaders the "Doctor of Death." Granted, the Taliban and Saddam (Iraq) were not nice people, and did horrible things to their own people, they were not the immediate threat to the US.

President W. Bush then tried to lie us into a war with Niger, and sent Wilson to lie about Niger selling yellow-cake Uranium to Iraq. Wilson refused to lie, so Dick Cheney (the real leader of the US), Donald Rumsfeld, and W. Bush outed Wilson's CIA wife (Valery Plame) as punishment. Many CIA agents died because they were overseas and associated with Plame.

W. Bush is a hunted man, for war crimes against peaceful nations and torture camps around the world (in Iraq, reported by the International Red Cross, who was bombed by friendly fire and the reporters were killed), (in Guantanamo, Cuba, Camp X-ray and Camp Delta, where prisoners were water-boarded in ice-water until they got frostbite, gangrene, and amputations, fed yellow stinky water that was designed not cause horrible stomach aches, and forced to sin against their God sexually, etc). W. Bush had refused to allow a World Court to form because he would have been arrested for war crimes, and currently cannot fly to many nations (like Canada) or he will be arrested as a war criminal and forced to stand trial at the Hague.

In order to have peace in the world, we have to understand the geopolitical facts. Those facts are hidden from us by the cancel culture. It is the same cancel culture that prevented President Donald Trump from talking. Free speech, free assembly, and the right to sue are important to preserve our freedom of religion. Without those basic Constitutional rights, our ability to belief, as we want to, is seriously compromised. More and more the US is becoming like the Iron Curtain (Soviet Union under Stalin). Radio communicaitno and TV and the internet no longer allow us to hear what Putin (or others) have to say.

Putin (that is, Russia) was being surrounded by NATO nations ....each former member of the Soviet bloc had joined NATO, and the threat to Russia was palpable. Yet, Putin was unable to resolve the conflict. It was very similar to the Bay of Pigs (Cuban Missile Crisis in which Soviets built a working nuclear missile base merely 75 miles off of the coast of Florida). Putin did the same thing that President John Kennedy during the Bay of Pigs...he attacked to mitigate the threat to his nation, failing to convince the UN to help him. Furthermore, Putin felt that the people of Ukraine wanted to join Russia (they were a part of the Soviet Union, at one time). Ukrainians took a vote, and the people wanted to join Russia. Yet, the leader of Ukraine wanted to retain his power and he was willing to sacrifice his people, his buildings, and his economy, and threaten world war, with other nations aligning to fight Russia, just to keep that power. The logical thing to do was to diplomatically negotiate with Putin and the Ukraine, to find a peaceful way of merging and allowing all to retain their political power.

Prior to his invasion of the Ukraine, Putin had objected to a Ukrainian football team and folks dressed as NAZIs murdering Russians in the Ukraine. His people were being murdered on the streets, and the perpetrators were not brought to justice, nor did anyone in the Ukraine lift a finger to stop them. Naturally, Putin felt that this was an act of war. Thus, this war, in Putin's mind, is justified.

In order to stop this violence, the UN (led by the US) has to let the world know what is really going on, rather than letting the cancel culture hide the facts from the world. Then the UN needs to negotiate a peaceful settlement.

The US is no match for Russia or China. Having had SALT agreements with the Soviets for decades, and having cut back on the nuclear missile forces, the rest of the world has caught up and surpassed the US. China just fired mach 10 missiles over an American aircraft carrier in the China Sea. The US only has mach 5 nuclear missiles. The US has no means of shooting Russia's Satan II nuclear missiles out of the sky, unless the few SDI (Starwars) satellites are still, after all these years (30 years) are capable of shooting them down, but there is no way that the US could get them all, nor does the US have enough SDI satellites to block all of them. The Satan II nukes have 15 megaton energy. Compare this with the 20 kiloton bombs dropped on Nagasaki and Hiroshima during WW II (that's nearly 1,000 times the energy). Other nations (Israel, Pakistan, the crazy leader of North Korea, and India) similarly have nukes.

Are Russian missiles shielded to prevent SDI (particle and beam weapons) from shooting them down? Are Safe and Arm devices (switches sealed with an inert gas (Argon) inside nuclear missiles that activate by radio signals and the acceleration of a launched missile) still good after 30 years (or more) of disuse? Or, did the inert gas leak out and the old switches get corroded. Can the US launch its aging nuke forces? The US spent a fortune fighting Iraq, using helicopters and machine guns. But these are not the weapons for a nuclear war, and the US is not prepared to fight one. As I had explained to Dr. Applegate, inventor of the Safe and Arm devices, 40 years ago, the resistors were already out of tolerance, and absorbed water which would get them out of tolerance. I suggested, instead, sealed resistors, so that they would pass DCAS inspection and stay in tolerance longer.

Edgar Cayce (psychic) said that there would be a great war fought between the great powers of earth. Could this be the trigger for that war?

While no one is praising Russia or Putin, we should at least understand him, and understand how to stop this war before it gets out of hand and starts WW III (a nuclear conflict that should last about 30 minutes). All sides would rue the day that a nuclear war occurred.

God said "thou shalt not kill"......now how do we make that happen?

 

[Clara Tea]

In my opinion, the only thing worse than total anarchy, is total unanimity of thought. In my opinion, the latter is far more dangerous than the former.



John

Many people like a consensus....especially if it makes sense.

 

[Clara Tea]

What I find funny. Is what Jesus and Paul actually had to say about violence and warfare.

What Does the Bible Say About War?

In the New Testament, war is universally seen as evil and Jesus emphasized peace instead. He advised us to avoid retaliation and revenge and to extend our love even to our enemies.

"You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you. You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. (NIV, Matthew 5:38-45)

The apostle Paul and other New testament writers echoed Jesus' sentiment and expanded on it.

Never pay back evil for evil to anyone. Respect what is right in the sight of all men. If possible, so far as it depends on you, be at peace with all men. Never take your own revenge, beloved, but leave room for the wrath of God, for it is written, "Vengeance is Mine, I will repay," says the Lord. "But if your enemy is hungry, feed him, and if he is thirsty, give him a drink; for in so doing you will heap burning coals upon his head." Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good. (NAS, Romans 12:17-21)

Edit: Did Putin meet these requirements before waging his campaign?

"Christian theologians St. Augustine of Hippo (354 - 430) and St. Thomas Aquinas (1225-1274) are primarily responsible for formulating the theory of the Just War which has remained the majority Christian approach to war to this day. There are many variations on the just war theory, but these are the basics:

There must be a just cause for the war.

War must be waged only in response to certain, grave and lasting damage inflicted by an aggressor.

The motive for war must be advancement of good or avoidance of evil.

The ultimate objective of war must be to bring peace.

Revenge, revolt, a desire to harm, dominate, or exploit and similar things are not justification for war.

Every possible means of peacefully settling the conflict must be exhausted first.

There must be serious prospects of success; bloodshed without hope of victory cannot be justified.

The war must be declared by a legitimate authority.

Private individuals or groups should seek redress of their rights through their governments, not by acts of war.

The war must not cause greater evil than the evil to be eliminated.

Non-combatants (civilians) must not be intentionally harmed.

Prisoners and conquered peoples must be treated justly.

If no one made war, the world would be peaceful. Sadly, many (mostly tyrants) make war. If we don't respond, in kind (with war), we will be ruled by tyrants.

Hitler would have enslaved us, and then he would have found new "imperfect" people to torture and kill, until there was just one "ideal" person left in the world. Ironically, that "ideal person" was not Hitler. Hitler wasn't blond, nor born in Germany. Even we don't fit exacting standards of perfection. Did the Japanese think that they were of an acceptable race? They had black hair (not blond), and they were not German. Why, then, did they cooperate with Hitler? Did they see glory of conquest, and get blinded by the glory and power?

History teaches us that tyrants rule. We are torn by our duty to God and our duty to posterity.

 

[Clara Tea]

In life what sciences in Russia wanted to succeed to ....America and co already had agreed. Is practicing.

So Russia's science consciousness identifies itself as better than yours.

So you are looking at each other looking at each other claiming bad behaviour.

A brother who supported by his brothers world community itself to achieve his position. Sciences causes.

So everyone is meant to be doing a human life reassessment. By looking at bad human behaviour choice.

That attack says.... and I will blow myself up to blow you up mentality was already Muslim expressed. The warning man's psyche and ancient star fall science causes.

That the falling star owned the warning. Reasons why human brain mind behaviours become AI affected.

As the theist first unnaturally thought not for the owned natural spiritual human life where his consciousness existed with father mother. Instead it was a thesis national o earth gods origin body attack. How to convert mass.

Nation to nation.

So Russians said the Wests consciousness seems worse than ours. How many homosexual exist is by population only.

Not by causes why a homosexual human behaviour is expressed. As Russia has homosexuality also.

The scientist builder theist destroyer subliminal psyche is owned by every recorded changed human mind as criminal to sexual non identification himself.

As original theist. Why you can't reach his conscious identity to reason consciously humanely as it nearly non existent.

Was the exact man's ownership of destructive theist scientists warning to his owned person. Biblical predicted notified sacrificed mind crown of thorns.

Mind human the theist first.

I was brain gas water heated attacked the effect intense excruciating brain prickling.

Hair loss a sign of changed DNA. As radiation therapies causes hair loss proven.

Human consciousness loss of spiritual language self identity by the star fall Introduced artificial copying communicators. That took natural mind into false identities.

By communicating back from places of man's sciences evil causes in our heavens was the exact warning when human language changes.

Which it has. Language words changed. When humans lose natural history of man self identification then it has.

The places where the heavens normal life mind supported by heavenly imagery that never pre existed is now introduced causes.

A higher amount of man father's adult DNA gone into hu man sickness.

Was taught as all humans future warning signs. Predicted.

We owned two predictions. Known star fall return. Mans identification of the old teachings warning of introduced self destructive science copying.....to allow evolution by 2012.

Or to choose to copy the advice taking you into the warning no man is God. And all introduced scientific atmospheric causes by reapplying nuclear science again.

Man chose not to follow his owned warned instructions is where we are now. Living a future we never should have inherited.

I don't understand everything that you wrote.

 

[Spiderman]

Well not as to being effeminate-looking as a child (just rather handsome), but I have mentioned quite a few times on here that I was sexually abused by an older boy so can attest to the damage that such can cause. He did seem to have a troubled childhood apparently.

It saddens me to hear that. I wouldn't wish that kind of abuse on my worst enemy. I have had many broken bones that resulted in permanent handicaps, and I prefer that over many types of sexual abuse. It takes courage for you to admit that, and I hope you were able to forgive the sick person who did it.

Many of them have been victims of the same types of abuse, and are very tortured, wounded people. Resenting him will do you only harm.

I hope and pray you were able to fully mentally and emotionally recover, and hopefully even forgive the person who did it.

I pray for anyone who has gone through that abuse, and that such abuse would cease, but the culture promoting so much perverted hedonistic stuff in the media and entertainment industry , is making people have no self control, or moral compass, or low standards, which leads to more of that abuse.

Children used to be safe playing outside unattended in America. That just isn't the case anymore.

 

[Clara Tea]

It takes a very sick mind to support Putin in this evil war.

We need to understand Putin's motives in order to stop him. He was being surrounded by nations that joined NATO, and that posed a threat to Russia's security. His people (Russians) were being slaughtered by roving Ukrainian gangs, and the Ukraine did nothing to stop them. Putin had appealed to the UN, to no avail. Putin responded in the same way that Kennedy responded to the Cuban Missile Crisis (Bay of Pigs).

Understanding is the key to diplomacy.

 

[Clara Tea]

It saddens me to hear that. I wouldn't wish that kind of abuse on my worst enemy. I have had many broken bones that resulted in permanent handicaps, and I prefer that over many types of sexual abuse. It takes courage for you to admit that, and I hope you were able to forgive the sick person who did it.

Many of them have been victims of the same types of abuse, and are very tortured, wounded people. Resenting him will do you only harm.

I hope and pray you were able to fully mentally and emotionally recover, and hopefully even forgive the person who did it.

I pray for anyone who has gone through that abuse, and that such abuse would cease, but the culture promoting so much perverted hedonistic stuff in the media and entertainment industry , is making people have no self control, or moral compass, or low standards, which leads to more of that abuse.

Children used to be safe playing outside unattended in America. That just isn't the case anymore.

Safety didn't change....awareness has.

 

[Clara Tea]

Well not as to being effeminate-looking as a child (just rather handsome), but I have mentioned quite a few times on here that I was sexually abused by an older boy so can attest to the damage that such can cause. He did seem to have a troubled childhood apparently.

All members of the RF forum feel empathy for the suffering that you have endured.

 

[Clara Tea]

Yes, I've seen a lot of use of the Bible to justify the horrors men inflict on one another. It's one of the reasons I discount it altogether. I know enough about right from wrong to know that slaughter of innocents -- even under the FALSE pretense of doing it at the behest of God -- is just plain wrong.

I've seen enough of your posts now to know that I would never speak to you in person. Therefore I think it best I sign off anything to do with you here, too.

I agree.

 

[Spiderman]

Safety didn't change....awareness has.

My Dad told me when he was a kid in Chicago, he and a friend could go downtown and use public buses , with relatively little risk or danger.

There also were not school shootings!

 

[Clara Tea]

You are a good example of how Hitler was able to enlist so many intellectuals to his cause. Putin, the Russian mobster and greatest Oligarch will rescue humanity by reestablishing the former Soviet Union and stopping Gay parades! Just WoW!

I agree.

Putin's motives for attack the Ukraine is to rejoin the Soviet Union, and to stop former Soviet satellites from joining NATO (too close to Russian borders). Confronted with a similar situation, President John F. Kennedy attacked the Cuban Missile Base, after landing in the Bay of Pigs, Cuba. Putin tried to resolve this issue with the UN but was rebuffed, so he saw no alternative but war. The solution is to understand Putin's motives and find an acceptible alternative.

We should not allow the cancel culture to put us behind an Iron Curtain, blocking critical information from us. We need news in order to understand the world and prevent tragedies.

 

[Clara Tea]

Libya was funding training and supporting Terrorists in many NATO countries. NATO took advantage of the uprising against Gadaffi.

Membership in NATO must not become a shield for terrorist cells.

 

[Clara Tea]

My Dad told me when he was a kid in Chicago, he and a friend could go downtown and use public buses , with relatively little risk or danger.

There also were not school shootings!

Carbon dioxide causes people to go crazy (proven by UC Berkeley and Harvard studies for short term exposure). Carbon dioxide is now at the highest levels ever (as proven by testing ice in the Arctic, among other ways). If you graph carbon dioxide and violent crimes, you will see an exact correlation.

Could certain regions have more or less carbon dioxide and therefore a different crime rate? Maybe?

Are we making correct decisions or are we now driven crazy by carbon dioxide?

 

[John D. Brey]

I can’t help thinking your thread title is rather ill advised, but I suppose that, at least you were guaranteed a response

The point of the thread-seeder is that the response was going to be nearly unanimous since everyone is dipping the ladle into the same Kool-Aid. In my opinion this unanimity of worldview is itself the evil it directs toward Putin or my viewpoint.

This is especially true when the unanimous view is seasoned with a desire for world peace and the belief it can be achieved through unanimous opinion that it can be achieved. At this level of wrongheadedness those who know, and say, otherwise (i.e., that world peace is unachievable), are interpreted as the evil ones keeping world peace from becoming a reality. The wise are rendered fools while the real fools are running the asylum. Nature abhors such a state and usually makes a loud statement about it when gets too crazy.



John

 

[John D. Brey]

It takes a very sick mind to support Putin in this evil war.

Dogmatic Truth 3:16.



John

 

[John D. Brey]

Many people like a consensus....especially if it makes sense.

Unfortunately, it often makes sense if it makes you money or gives you power over others. Like how it made sense to everyone on the left side of the political spectrum that Trump was a Russian-controlled Manchurian candidate. It had to be true since it was so convenient to achieving their goals.



John

 

[John D. Brey]

All members of the RF forum feel empathy for the suffering that you have endured.

What if I could prove you're not clairvoyant?



John

 

[QuestioningMind]

The point of the thread-seeder is that the response was going to be nearly unanimous since everyone is dipping the ladle into the same Kool-Aid. In my opinion this unanimity of worldview is itself the evil it directs toward Putin or my viewpoint.

This is especially true when the unanimous view is seasoned with a desire for world peace and the belief it can be achieved through unanimous opinion that it can be achieved. At this level of wrongheadedness those who know, and say, otherwise (i.e., that world peace is unachievable), are interpreted as the evil ones keeping world peace from becoming a reality. The wise are rendered fools while the real fools are running the asylum. Nature abhors such a state and usually makes a loud statement about it when gets too crazy.



John

Comrade John, eagerly slurping up the Putin Propaganda like it was Kool-Aid. How sad and pathetic.