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Praising Putin.

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
It saddens me to hear that. I wouldn't wish that kind of abuse on my worst enemy. I have had many broken bones that resulted in permanent handicaps, and I prefer that over many types of sexual abuse. It takes courage for you to admit that, and I hope you were able to forgive the sick person who did it.

Many of them have been victims of the same types of abuse, and are very tortured, wounded people. Resenting him will do you only harm.

I hope and pray you were able to fully mentally and emotionally recover, and hopefully even forgive the person who did it.

I pray for anyone who has gone through that abuse, and that such abuse would cease, but the culture promoting so much perverted hedonistic stuff in the media and entertainment industry , is making people have no self control, or moral compass, or low standards, which leads to more of that abuse.

Children used to be safe playing outside unattended in America. That just isn't the case anymore. :(
I eventually managed to put it into perspective and get over it, and I hold no hatred towards him. He was just an unthinking individual who was likely to cause damage to others just as many are. He might have had in his background such as to cause this though. I don't know since I left the area at the age of 19 and never saw him again, breaking contact even when much younger. I'm in the best of mental health it seems to me so can't grumble, but I did waste an awful lot of my life and it could have been quite different. Thanks for your comments.
 

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
God said "thou shalt not kill." President W. Bush lied us into war with the Taliban (religious and political leaders of Afghanistan) and Iraq by conflating 911 terrorism with them. Actually, the Taliban had captured bin Laden and his top aides just 9 days after the 911 attack and offered to turn them over to the United States if they proved a link to terrorism (which they could not do). W. Bush attacked it's own allies (the Taliban) because they didn't do exactly as demanded when W. Bush ordered them to do so. Then W. Bush "bore false witness" against the Taliban." Again, W. Bush "bore false witness" against Iraq, calling one of their leaders the "Doctor of Death." Granted, the Taliban and Saddam (Iraq) were not nice people, and did horrible things to their own people, they were not the immediate threat to the US.

President W. Bush then tried to lie us into a war with Niger, and sent Wilson to lie about Niger selling yellow-cake Uranium to Iraq. Wilson refused to lie, so Dick Cheney (the real leader of the US), Donald Rumsfeld, and W. Bush outed Wilson's CIA wife (Valery Plame) as punishment. Many CIA agents died because they were overseas and associated with Plame.

W. Bush is a hunted man, for war crimes against peaceful nations and torture camps around the world (in Iraq, reported by the International Red Cross, who was bombed by friendly fire and the reporters were killed), (in Guantanamo, Cuba, Camp X-ray and Camp Delta, where prisoners were water-boarded in ice-water until they got frostbite, gangrene, and amputations, fed yellow stinky water that was designed not cause horrible stomach aches, and forced to sin against their God sexually, etc). W. Bush had refused to allow a World Court to form because he would have been arrested for war crimes, and currently cannot fly to many nations (like Canada) or he will be arrested as a war criminal and forced to stand trial at the Hague.

In order to have peace in the world, we have to understand the geopolitical facts. Those facts are hidden from us by the cancel culture. It is the same cancel culture that prevented President Donald Trump from talking. Free speech, free assembly, and the right to sue are important to preserve our freedom of religion. Without those basic Constitutional rights, our ability to belief, as we want to, is seriously compromised. More and more the US is becoming like the Iron Curtain (Soviet Union under Stalin). Radio communicaitno and TV and the internet no longer allow us to hear what Putin (or others) have to say.

Putin (that is, Russia) was being surrounded by NATO nations ....each former member of the Soviet bloc had joined NATO, and the threat to Russia was palpable. Yet, Putin was unable to resolve the conflict. It was very similar to the Bay of Pigs (Cuban Missile Crisis in which Soviets built a working nuclear missile base merely 75 miles off of the coast of Florida). Putin did the same thing that President John Kennedy during the Bay of Pigs...he attacked to mitigate the threat to his nation, failing to convince the UN to help him. Furthermore, Putin felt that the people of Ukraine wanted to join Russia (they were a part of the Soviet Union, at one time). Ukrainians took a vote, and the people wanted to join Russia. Yet, the leader of Ukraine wanted to retain his power and he was willing to sacrifice his people, his buildings, and his economy, and threaten world war, with other nations aligning to fight Russia, just to keep that power. The logical thing to do was to diplomatically negotiate with Putin and the Ukraine, to find a peaceful way of merging and allowing all to retain their political power.

Prior to his invasion of the Ukraine, Putin had objected to a Ukrainian football team and folks dressed as NAZIs murdering Russians in the Ukraine. His people were being murdered on the streets, and the perpetrators were not brought to justice, nor did anyone in the Ukraine lift a finger to stop them. Naturally, Putin felt that this was an act of war. Thus, this war, in Putin's mind, is justified.

In order to stop this violence, the UN (led by the US) has to let the world know what is really going on, rather than letting the cancel culture hide the facts from the world. Then the UN needs to negotiate a peaceful settlement.

The US is no match for Russia or China. Having had SALT agreements with the Soviets for decades, and having cut back on the nuclear missile forces, the rest of the world has caught up and surpassed the US. China just fired mach 10 missiles over an American aircraft carrier in the China Sea. The US only has mach 5 nuclear missiles. The US has no means of shooting Russia's Satan II nuclear missiles out of the sky, unless the few SDI (Starwars) satellites are still, after all these years (30 years) are capable of shooting them down, but there is no way that the US could get them all, nor does the US have enough SDI satellites to block all of them. The Satan II nukes have 15 megaton energy. Compare this with the 20 kiloton bombs dropped on Nagasaki and Hiroshima during WW II (that's nearly 1,000 times the energy). Other nations (Israel, Pakistan, the crazy leader of North Korea, and India) similarly have nukes.

Are Russian missiles shielded to prevent SDI (particle and beam weapons) from shooting them down? Are Safe and Arm devices (switches sealed with an inert gas (Argon) inside nuclear missiles that activate by radio signals and the acceleration of a launched missile) still good after 30 years (or more) of disuse? Or, did the inert gas leak out and the old switches get corroded. Can the US launch its aging nuke forces? The US spent a fortune fighting Iraq, using helicopters and machine guns. But these are not the weapons for a nuclear war, and the US is not prepared to fight one. As I had explained to Dr. Applegate, inventor of the Safe and Arm devices, 40 years ago, the resistors were already out of tolerance, and absorbed water which would get them out of tolerance. I suggested, instead, sealed resistors, so that they would pass DCAS inspection and stay in tolerance longer.

Edgar Cayce (psychic) said that there would be a great war fought between the great powers of earth. Could this be the trigger for that war?

While no one is praising Russia or Putin, we should at least understand him, and understand how to stop this war before it gets out of hand and starts WW III (a nuclear conflict that should last about 30 minutes). All sides would rue the day that a nuclear war occurred.

God said "thou shalt not kill"......now how do we make that happen?

There is a bigger cancer at play here and that is ungodliness manifested in crass materialism, which has moulded the mentality of a divided world and was born in the American Nation.

Shoghi Effendi offered this just after the 2nd world war to America:

".....Parallel with this, and pervading all departments of life--an evil which the nation, and indeed all those within the capitalist system, though to a lesser degree, share with that state and its satellites regarded as the sworn enemies of that system--is the crass materialism, which lays excessive and ever-increasing emphasis on material well-being, forgetful of those things of the spirit on which alone a sure and stable foundation can be laid for human society. It is this same cancerous materialism, born originally in Europe, carried to excess in the North American continent, contaminating the Asiatic peoples and nations, spreading its ominous tentacles to the borders of Africa, and now invading its very heart, which Bahá'u'lláh in unequivocal and emphatic language denounced in His Writings, comparing it to a devouring flame and regarding it as the chief factor in precipitating the dire ordeals and world-shaking crises that must necessarily involve the burning of cities and the spread of terror and consternation in the hearts of men....."
Citadel of Faith, Pages 124-127

So the time for great change is needed, can we yet see the wisdom in this advice?

"....The Great Being, wishing to reveal the prerequisites of the peace and tranquillity of the world and the advancement of its peoples, hath written: The time must come when the imperative necessity for the holding of a vast, an all-embracing assemblage of men will be universally realized. The rulers and kings of the earth must needs attend it, and, participating in its deliberations, must consider such ways and means as will lay the foundations of the world’s Great Peace amongst men. Such a peace demandeth that the Great Powers should resolve, for the sake of the tranquillity of the peoples of the earth, to be fully reconciled among themselves. Should any king take up arms against another, all should unitedly arise and prevent him. If this be done, the nations of the world will no longer require any armaments, except for the purpose of preserving the security of their realms and of maintaining internal order within their territories. This will ensure the peace and composure of every people, government and nation. We fain would hope that the kings and rulers of the earth, the mirrors of the gracious and almighty name of God, may attain unto this station, and shield mankind from the onslaught of tyranny. …The day is approaching when all the peoples of the world will have adopted one universal language and one common script...." Baha'u'llah

Regards Tony
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
No. But there is that isn't there.



John
OK, so it's not because Putin is against lgtbq rights and human dignity, is your praise because Putin has ordered military attacks on women and children? You didn't explain why you praise Putin so we have to guess.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
Lot's of people died in the Civil War. And in the Spartan wars, and in most wars ever fought.

Lot's of people died in Hiroshima when the USA waged war against Japan.

The word "exterminate" is found on pest killers. It has no place in the waging of war, which, the waging of war, is glorious, while exterminating pests is just good.



John
And yet you praise repeating these mistakes. A huge moral flaw in your thinking.
 

Jacob Samuelson

Active Member
In the thread discussing St. Paul's take on same-sex marriage, a theory was proffered that, if it's fully understood, leads to praise for Vladimir Putin. While the whole world gangs up on Putin, in truth, Putin is more like the character John Galt in Putin's fellow citizen's universally renown book Atlas Shrugged.

Though today's Christians pile on to the gang rape of Putin, their ancient ancestors, to include St. Paul, and the other Apostles, would be appalled at the Putin haters and not at Putin himself; they'd be appalled that Christians have become so blind and so willing to sell their soul for a crust of bread from their globalist, universalist, humanist, masters.

May our Lord strengthen Putin and enfeeble the feeble-minded oblivious to the fact that in their lust to destroy Putin they're actually destroying the world with whom they're so madly in love (1 John 2:15).




John
Thanks for taking the time to understand the situation rather than being spoon-fed information from the media. Putin is no Saint, but neither our we, and we have no right to judge our standards are right just because we believe another's is wrong. The world needs more people like you apparently.
 

John D. Brey

Well-Known Member
OK, so it's not because Putin is against lgtbq rights and human dignity, is your praise because Putin has ordered military attacks on women and children? You didn't explain why you praise Putin so we have to guess.

Women and children die in most if not all wars. So to single out Putin as though he's different than any other leader of any other country is problematic in my opinion.



John
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
Women and children die in most if not all wars. So to single out Putin as though he's different than any other leader of any other country is problematic in my opinion.
So I take it you are morally indifferent to these women and children being murdered. I see you make no effort to condemn these murders, but instead praise the person responsible for them. You illustrate how religious people have no guaranteed understanding of moral acuity.

Putin is different than current First World leaders in that he is waging war against an independent nation and it's people. Unacceptable.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
So I take it you are morally indifferent to these women and children being murdered. I see you make no effort to condemn these murders, but instead praise the person responsible for them. You illustrate how religious people have no guaranteed understanding of moral acuity.

Putin is different than current First World leaders in that he is waging war against an independent nation and it's people. Unacceptable.

Did we not do the same in our wars?
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
Thanks for taking the time to understand the situation rather than being spoon-fed information from the media. Putin is no Saint, but neither our we, and we have no right to judge our standards are right just because we believe another's is wrong. The world needs more people like you apparently.
I'll give the US army commanders credit for not bombing whole cities of women and children to pieces. Were mistakes made in out Bush/Cheney wars? Hell yes. They would not have happened if Gore had been declared the winner. The USA is not perfect but our approach to war was vastly better. Bush/Cheney lied well to the whole world about an immanent threat to global security. We all trusted them, and we all got duped.
 

John D. Brey

Well-Known Member
You didn't explain why you praise Putin so we have to guess.

Putin and St. Paul share a fundamental hatred of a kind of thought Putin equates with the Nazis, and St. Paul understood similarly, but labeled (in Romans chapter one) homo-epistemological. Putin's "Nazi" is Paul's homoepistemology.

What they're both utterly opposed to, is what we've seen in this thread, and from the Western media and leaders of the Western nations: homoepistemological thought that speaks as though war has been banished because everyone thinks the same (exempting Putin).

Putin accurately refers to the Western media's worldview as "Nazi." Hitler and the Nazis attacked a duality that St. Paul considered ontological, and part and parcel of human existence: Jew and Gentile. In the same sense the Nazis thought that they could exterminate one pole of ontological reality, the Jew, and therein gain a paradisaical kingdom of god on earth, i.e., the Aryan millennium, Western liberals, humanists, globalists, believe they can eliminate war, and warmongers, and create the golden age of humanity by eliminating polar opposition to their asinine homoepistemological panacea (world peace through extermination of all polar opposition).

Putin is in the cross-hairs of these evil homoepistemological Nazis who live in the same dreamworld as Adolf Hitler, all the while they speak of Putin, who's one of the few world leaders not exhibiting Hitler-like tendencies, as Hitleresque.

Waging war is not Hitleresque. Attacking an enemy with the foreknowledge that women and children will die is not Hitleresque. Otherwise George Washington, Douglas MacArthur, and Abraham Lincoln, are Hitleresque. And yes, I'm aware that many in this thread will no doubt agree with BLM and MSNBC that that's in fact the case, i.e., that our founding fathers were Nazis.

May all sane men gather together and pray that Putin is given the wisdom and means to execute his war against those who are attacking human reality, human existence, human soul, itself, in the name of their misplaced belief in childlike utopian fairy tales.



John
 
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We Never Know

No Slack
I'll give the US army commanders credit for not bombing whole cities of women and children to pieces. Were mistakes made in out Bush/Cheney wars? Hell yes. They would not have happened if Gore had been declared the winner. The USA is not perfect but our approach to war was vastly better. Bush/Cheney lied well to the whole world about an immanent threat to global security. We all trusted them, and we all got duped.

Were mistakes made in our Obama/Biden wars? Hell yes..
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
And Obama continued them. So.....?
Try putting the toothpaste back into the tube. Obama tried to resolve the wars based on military advice. It was a no win situation for him, pull out immediately and get blamed for sacrificing American boys for nothing. Double down and perhaps win. But it's Afghanistan. No one wins there. Even trump didn't end the war in Afghanistan, so not so easy. The whole thing was a mess from the start.

Most American wars and military occupation has been about trying to secure cheap resources so our economy can thrive. But trump's isolationism didn't help either, as it only caused more global instability. Arguably it allowed Putin the confidence to invade Ukraine.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
Try putting the toothpaste back into the tube. Obama tried to resolve the wars based on military advice. It was a no win situation for him, pull out immediately and get blamed for sacrificing American boys for nothing. Double down and perhaps win. But it's Afghanistan. No one wins there. Even trump didn't end the war in Afghanistan, so not so easy. The whole thing was a mess from the start.

Most American wars and military occupation has been about trying to secure cheap resources so our economy can thrive. But trump's isolationism didn't help either, as it only caused more global instability. Arguably it allowed Putin the confidence to invade Ukraine.

Lol. Did he stop or continue our wars? Thats the bottom line.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
Putin and St. Paul share a fundamental hatred of a kind of thought Putin equates with the Nazis, and St. Paul understood similarly, but labeled (in Romans chapter one) homo-epistemological. Putin's "Nazi" is Paul's homoepistemology.

What they're both utterly opposed to, is what we've seen in this thread, and from the Western media and leaders of the Western nations: homoepistemological thought that speaks as though war has been banished because everyone thinks the same (exempting Putin).

Putin accurately refers to the Western media's worldview as "Nazi." Hitler and the Nazis attacked a duality that St. Paul considered ontological, and part and parcel of human existence: Jew and Gentile. In the same sense the Nazis thought that they could exterminate one pole of ontological reality, the Jew, and therein gain a paradisaical kingdom of god on earth, i.e., the Aryan millennium, Western liberals, humanists, globalists, believe they can eliminate war, and warmongers, and create the golden age of humanity by eliminating polar opposition to their asinine homoepistemological panacea (world peace through extermination of all polar opposition).

Putin is in the cross-hairs of these evil homoepistemological Nazis who live in the same dreamworld as Adolf Hitler, all the while they speak of Putin, who's one of the few world leaders not exhibiting Hitler-like tendencies, as Hitleresque.



John
More imaginative nonsense. Note you cite no factual sources, no facts at all, just make up a lot conspiratorial fiction. I have no idea what you get out of thinking such vile crap. If I haven't read other prejudicial inventions by you I would think this was shocking satire.
 
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