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pre-islamic religions in the middle east

hello,
can anyone throw light on this? what were the religions prevalent in the arab peninsula before islam? is there a religion older than judaism? what were the religions in morocco,algeria and egypt before conversion to islam? also was the kaba the religious centre for all arabs e.g. lebanese,jordanian arabs?
 

AbdulMuhd

Member
The Egyptians worshipped the Sun God among other things. They were pagans. The Quraish tribe, the Prophet Muhammad's tribe worshipped the Moon God called Allah.
 

*Deleted*

Member
Many religions in pre-Islamic middle east. Check out the Gilgamesh Epic for some information.
Also, surely Abraham (when he left Ur) and went to the Fertile Crescent took many stories with him and the people with him. Those stories were later reconfigured to meet the needs and agendas of the new tribes. As we know, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam trace roots back to Abraham.
Also, check out Song of Songs in the Hebrew scriptures. That type of writing, poem, traces back to other similar poems in Mesopotamia. The female figures strongly in that poem---really from her point of view mostly. (which is rare.) Had to have importance from the past in some way to even get in the Hebrew scriptures and into the Christian Bible.
There are stories of pre-Islamic religion---Al-lat (female) predates Allah.
 

Caladan

Agnostic Pantheist
Hi Sthitpradnya,

Here is a short summary of the near eastern religious landscape during classical times before the conquests of Islam.

The common religion in the Maghreb and specifically in Morocco was Christianity, which arrived in Roman times. the Maghreb or Berber community adopted the Coptic doctrine of Monophysitism, which says that Jesus of Nazareth had one nature, human and divine at the same time.
by 200, under the Roman rule, Alexandria which is lying on the Mediterranean coast of Egypt became one of the most well known Christian centers.
before Octavian has defeated Mark Antony and annexted Ptolemic Egypt, in a Hellenic environment, Greek speaking Jews, Syrian-Egyptian Gnosticism, Platonic realism were part of the philsophical discourse which took place in Egypt. when it came to Christianity, Egypt had the School of Alexandria, in which Clement and Origen taught, and a Monasticism life style as practiced by native Egyptians.

Gnosticism in general had an influence on Hellenic Judaism, Christianity, the Classical mystery religions, Neoplatonism, and Zoroastrianism.
Some Gnostic societies held Jesus in the status of a supreme being, while others, the Mandaeans saw Jesus as a false messiah who has corrupted the teachings as introduced by John the Baptist.

First century Judaism, or first century Judea, had two main branches, the Sadducees, and the Pharisees, both were also representing the two main classes in the province, the Sadducees were the aristocratic branch which held the temple affairs, and the Pharisees were the mainstream branch, popular with the middle class. these two branches of Judaism held different beliefs and opinions about prophecy, the afterlife, and other religious matters.

In 132 AD, the Emperor Hadrian changed the name of the province from Iudaea to Syria Palaestina and renamed Jerusalem "Aelia Capitolina" and built temples there to honor Jupiter. Christianity was practiced in secret and the Hellenization of Palestine continued under Septimus Severus (193–211 AD). New pagan cities were created in Judea.

After Constantine declared Christianity the state religion of the Roman empire, the official religion of Palaestina became Christianity, as practiced by the Byazantines or the Eastern Roman rule.
 
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AbdulMuhd

Member
It is evident that even in the first 100 years of Judaism, that there was a vast difference in the perception of Judaism and the two views, the Sadducees and the Pharisees, never merged. Later Jesus could not accept the "fences (man made laws)" of the Pharisees and thus was forced to preach Christianity. This shows that there was no consensus in a common doctrine, even in those early days.

So was Moses' vision and philosophy based on such solid grounds? The more we look into early Judaism, as portrayed in the Old Testament, we find inexplicable legends.

Having made the above statement, I add that Christianity and Islam based some of their fundamental premises of their faith on the early history and genealogy of the Old Testament. So if the early perceptions of Judaism was based on disputable perceptions, it is like building your edifice on a bed of shifting sand?
 
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AbdulMuhd

Member
This should elaborate what I meant by shifting sands:
Question: "Who were the Sadducees and the Pharisees?"

Answer: The Gospels refer often to the Sadducees and Pharisees, as Jesus was in constant conflict with them. The Sadducees and Pharisees comprised the ruling class of Israel. There are many similarities between the two groups but important differences between them as well.

The Sadducees: During the time of Christ and the New Testament era, the Sadducees were aristocrats. They tended to be wealthy and held powerful positions, including that of chief priests and high priest, and they held the majority of the 70 seats of the ruling council called the Sanhedrin. They worked hard to keep the peace by agreeing with the decisions of Rome (Israel at this time was under Roman control), and they seemed to be more concerned with politics than religion. Because they were accommodating to Rome and were the wealthy upper class, they did not relate well to the common man, nor did the common man hold them in high opinion. The common man related better to those who belonged to the party of the Pharisees. Though the Sadducees held the majority of seats in the Sanhedrin, history indicates that much of the time they had to go along with the ideas of the Pharisaic minority, because the Pharisees were popular with the masses.

Religiously, the Sadducees were more conservative in one main area of doctrine. The Pharisees gave oral tradition equal authority to the written Word of God, while the Sadducees considered only the written Word to be from God. The Sadducees preserved the authority of the written Word of God, especially the books of Moses (Genesis through Deuteronomy). While they could be commended for this, they definitely were not perfect in their doctrinal views. The following is a brief list of beliefs they held that contradict Scripture:

1. They were extremely self-sufficient to the point of denying God's involvement in everyday life.

2. They denied any resurrection of the dead (Matthew 22:23; Mark 12:18-27; Acts 23:8).

3. They denied any afterlife, holding that the soul perished at death, and therefore denying any penalty or reward after the earthly life.

4. They denied the existence of a spiritual world, i.e., angels and demons (Acts 23:8).

Because the Sadducees were more concerned with politics than religion, they were unconcerned with Jesus until they became afraid He might bring unwanted Roman attention. It was at this point that the Sadducees and Pharisees united and conspired to put Christ to death (John 11:48-50; Mark 14:53; 15:1). Other mentions of the Sadducees are found in Acts 4:1 and Acts 5:17, and the Sadducees are implicated in the death of James by the historian Josephus (Acts 12:1-2).

The Sadducees ceased to exist in A.D. 70. Since this party existed because of their political and priestly ties, when Rome destroyed Jerusalem and the temple in A.D. 70, the Sadducees were also destroyed.

The Pharisees: In contrast to the Sadducees, the Pharisees were mostly middle-class businessmen, and therefore were in contact with the common man. The Pharisees were held in much higher esteem by the common man than the Sadducees. Though they were a minority in the Sanhedrin and held a minority number of positions as priests, they seemed to control the decision making of the Sanhedrin far more than the Sadducees did, again because they had the support of the people.

Religiously, they accepted the written Word as inspired by God. At the time of Christ's earthly ministry, this would have been what is now our Old Testament. But they also gave equal authority to oral tradition and attempted to defend this position by saying it went all the way back to Moses. Evolving over the centuries, these traditions added to God's Word, which is forbidden (Deuteronomy 4:2), and the Pharisees sought to strictly obey these traditions along with the Old Testament. The Gospels abound with examples of the Pharisees treating these traditions as equal to God's Word (Matthew 9:14; 15:1-9; 23:5; 23:16, 23, Mark 7:1-23; Luke 11:42). However, they did remain true to God's Word in reference to certain other important doctrines. In contrast to the Sadducees, they believed the following:

1. They believed that God controlled all things, yet decisions made by individuals also contributed to the course of a person's life.

2. They believed in the resurrection of the dead (Acts 23:6).

3. They believed in an afterlife, with appropriate reward and punishment on an individual basis.

4. They believed in the existence of angels and demons (Acts 23:8).

Though the Pharisees were rivals of the Sadducees, they managed to set aside their differences on one occasion—the trial of Christ. It was at this point that the Sadducees and Pharisees united to put Christ to death (Mark 14:53; 15:1; John 11:48-50).

While the Sadducees ceased to exist after the destruction of Jerusalem, the Pharisees, who were more concerned with religion than politics, continued to exist. In fact, the Pharisees were against the rebellion that brought on Jerusalem's destruction in A.D. 70, and they were the first to make peace with the Romans afterward. The Pharisees were also responsible for the compilation of the Mishnah, an important document with reference to the continuation of Judaism beyond the destruction of the temple.

Both the Pharisees and the Sadducees earned numerous rebukes from Jesus. Perhaps the best lesson we can learn from the Pharisees and Sadducees is to not be like them. Unlike the Sadducees, we are to believe everything the Bible says, including the miraculous and the afterlife. Unlike the Pharisees, we are not to treat traditions as having equal authority as Scripture, and we are not to allow our relationship with God to be reduced to a legalistic list of rules and rituals.
Who were the Sadducees and the Pharisees?
 

AbdulMuhd

Member
RomCat, Judaism was "created" out of the "vision of Moses in 1314 BC." From his "vision" Christianity broke away from Judaism, and Muhammad decided to create his own followers. All fundamentally based on Moses' new idea of monotheism because there were too many conflicts and disharmony from polytheism.
 

Caladan

Agnostic Pantheist
RomCat, Judaism was "created" out of the "vision of Moses in 1314 BC." From his "vision" Christianity broke away from Judaism, and Muhammad decided to create his own followers. All fundamentally based on Moses' new idea of monotheism because there were too many conflicts and disharmony from polytheism.
That is perhaps a mystical summary that surpresses centuries of religious development in the near east, from paganism to henotheism, the gradual development into monotheism, the diffusion of Zoroastrianism into Judaism and later into Christianity and the similarity between the Levitical and Avestan scriptures.
 
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Caladan

Agnostic Pantheist
I have Googled it and come up with a blank. So there is no authority of such a theory?
Please check your spelling in your next google search.

Henotheism is the existence of the pantheon with the acceptance of one of the gods as a supreme god.
Akhenaten's sun worship was an example of Henotheism in the ancient near east, and not as often discussed as an example of Monotheism.
The Israelite religion was also a Henotheistic faith throughout the Iron Age among the many sectors of the public, as was the case with other contemporary Canaanite societies, such as Moab, and Edom.
 
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Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
I would like to know what was the direct forerunner to Islam.
What religion did Mohamed follow before he invent his own religion.
 

Caladan

Agnostic Pantheist
I would like to know what was the direct forerunner to Islam.
What religion did Mohamed follow before he invent his own religion.
The faith of his tribe, the Quraysh. the strongest tribe in the Meccan landscape, which like the Sadducees and the Temple in Jerusalem in a very loose comparison, controled the affairs of the Kaaba at Mecca. after the successes of Muhammad's men, the Kaaba came under their control, and from the pagan shrine of the pre Islamic society, it became an Islamic landmark.
 
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AbdulMuhd

Member
Please check your spelling in your next google search.

Henotheism is the existence of the pantheon with the acceptance of one of the gods as a supreme god.
Akhenaten's sun worship was an example of Henotheism in the ancient near east, and not as often discussed as an example of Monotheism.
The Israelite religion was also a Henotheistic faith throughout the Iron Age among the many sectors of the public, as was the case with other contemporary Canaanite societies, such as Moab, and Edom.

Thank you Caladan, it came up this time. Must have been an error in spelling. It is OK now I know the exact meaning.
 
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