Preaching Against Other Religions vs. Teaching Your Own

[KirbyFan101]

We believe in:

• The inherent worth and dignity of every person;
• Justice, equity, and compassion in human relations;
• Acceptance of one another and encouragement to spiritual growth in our congregations;
• A free and responsible search for truth and meaning;
• The right of conscience and the use of the democratic process within our congregations and in society at large;
• The goal of world community with peace, liberty, and justice for all;
• Respect for the interdependent web of all existence of which we are a part.

Reminds me of the phrase:

Community, Identity, Stability.

Not sure why though...

 

[greatcalgarian]

:huh: I may be very sceptical of anyone claiming to be a prophet... doesn't mean I can't stand that idea of one existing.

Just how did you come to this conclusion?

While I have met many atheists that are some of the most tolerant people I have ever met, tolerance is not nessecarily inherent in athiesm.

Look at all those beautiful postings on RF by atheist, agnostics etc, and you can see they are very tolerant, kind hearted people

The most aggressive one I found on this RF is s2a, however, he is almost alwasys correct in his arguements

 

[s2a]

Look at all those beautiful postings on RF by atheist, agnostics etc, and you can see they are very tolerant, kind hearted people

The most aggressive one I found on this RF is s2a, however, he is almost alwasys correct in his arguements

Sometimes, we "ugly Americans" just can't help ourselves. ;-)

PS: I prefer to think of myself as "confidently assertive", as opposed to "aggressive". I really am a peaceful sort, even whilst prone to occasional error...;-)

 

[KirbyFan101]

Sometimes, we "ugly Americans" just can't help ourselves. ;-)

PS: I prefer to think of myself as "confidently assertive", as opposed to "aggressive". I really am a peaceful sort, even whilst prone to occasional error...;-)

Better to be hatefully remembered than to be forgotten, aye s2a! :biglaugh:

 

[Mister Emu]

Look at all those beautiful postings on RF by atheist, agnostics etc, and you can see they are very tolerant, kind hearted people

Yes, most here are tolerant. However that does not force tolerance as a precept of Atheism.

 

[michel]

Christian cannot stand the idea of another prophet after Jesus Christ. They like to monopolize Jesus according to the dogma developed around 400AD. Thus Christians have been bashing Muslim, even recruiting the President of United State to help by linking Muslims with Terrorists. Similarly is the mentality of bashing Mormons.

Atheists are humanist, hence they will not allow intolerance to flourish. They 'preach' religious freedom.

Wow - I am glad you feel so certain that you can cover all with one sweep - tar the whole spectrum the way you see it. You do yourself no good in credibility by being so judgemental.

I am a Christian; I have NEVER bashed a muslim.

Atheists are humanist, hence they will not allow intolerance to flourish - all of them? - not one or two who aren't 'wonderful' ? and "they will not allow intollerance" I find the most intollerant and smug attitude if ever I heard one.................

Those may be your views, but they are charged with bias and totally unrepresentative of the world I live in.

 

[Pah]

Yes, most here are tolerant. However that does not force tolerance as a precept of Atheism.

Granted! And there have been some very strong exceptions to the idea of tolerance in Atheism. In fact, I can think of an area or two in which I am very intolerant.

 

[greatcalgarian]

Granted! And there have been some very strong exceptions to the idea of tolerance in Atheism. In fact, I can think of an area or two in which I am very intolerant.

Tell us, tell us, which two areas you are not tolerant?

 

[Green Gaia]

Reminds me of the phrase:

Community, Identity, Stability.

Not sure why though...

I'm not sure why either...

 

[greatcalgarian]

Wow - I am glad you feel so certain that you can cover all with one sweep - tar the whole spectrum the way you see it. You do yourself no good in credibility by being so judgemental.

I am a Christian; I have NEVER bashed a muslim.

Atheists are humanist, hence they will not allow intolerance to flourish - all of them? - not one or two who aren't 'wonderful' ? and "they will not allow intollerance" I find the most intollerant and smug attitude if ever I heard one.................

Those may be your views, but they are charged with bias and totally unrepresentative of the world I live in.

One person's view (my view) is not important, majority view rules. If you agreed that majority of Atheists, Agnostic, Humanists on this RF is toleratnt, and only 50 or less percent of Christians and Religious persons are tolerant, then the first grouping is more tolerant than the 2nd grouping :bounce QED (Quite Easily Done, as one of my Maths teacher used to tell us)

 

[Mister Emu]

How do you define tolerant? Also, please show that only 50% of Christians meet this imaginary line of tolerance.

 

[greatcalgarian]

How do you define tolerant? Also, please show that only 50% of Christians meet this imaginary line of tolerance.

Religious tolerant means accepting the fact that each person can have his or her own belief, respect other person's belief, and no one should make fun of the other person's belief, so long as the action of one person does not impose onto the other person by infringing upon his social rights etc.

No I do not know 50%, I am just saying that that is the yardstick to reach the conclusion if you can reach in your own heart, or feel that that is the figure after reading all the posting by different sect of religious and atheist.

When I said atheist in this RF is more tolerant than the theist, that is how I reach that conclusion, after reading about 10% of the recent postings by a wide spectrum of author. This is my own personal judgement. Every one can make their own conclusion.

For example, read this thread:
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17336
where it has been closed due to intolerancy?

 

[greatcalgarian]

You do yourself no good in credibility by being so judgemental.

Thank You.

Judging another person and saying he or she is judgemental is sort of intolerant behavior :biglaugh:

Let us remove our tendency to judge others, and stand infront of a mirror and ask ourseleves:

Question:" Am I more judgemental than this other guy?"
Answer: "No, I am not judgemental"
Question:"Should I tell this other guy that he is judgemental?"
Answer: "Yes, if you think this can help him"
Question: "How do I know whether it is going to help him or not by telling him that he is being judgemental?"
Answer: "If after he received your comment, he said 'Thank You', then you have helped this person"
Question: "What is my reason for wanting to tell this person that he is judgemental"
Answer: "There are several answers, the first one has been mentioned by you, that is with the intent to help the other person. Other reasons include: to win an arguement, to show displeasure with this person regarding his view on certain matters, etc etc."
Question: "What actually happened if this person did not post a 'Thank You' note, and replied raising other points, side-tracking the issue?"
Answer: "This person is being arguementative, just ignore him"

I am an arguementative person, not judgemental.:bonk:

 

[Pah]

Tell us, tell us, which two areas you are not tolerant?

:biglaugh: Oh yeah sure. You really should read more of my posts. :biglaugh: and you KNOW I never go "off-topic" :biglaugh:

 

[Scuba Pete]

Now see,

I feel that the theists (save for two) are far less judgmental than the athiests here on RF.

 

[michel]

Now see,

I feel that the theists (save for two) are far less judgmental than the athiests here on RF.

I think I actually agree with you; but when you think of it, Christianity concentrates on a core of 'love' therefore tends to make Christians less judgemental, despite what the non theists seem to believe!

 

[greatcalgarian]

Now see,

I feel that the theists (save for two) are far less judgmental than the athiests here on RF.

Who are these two theists? Tell me, tell me, tell me please?

Let us make some scientific statistic study to verify Netdoc statement:
Evidence:
Netdoc less judgmental than Pah
Michel less judgmental than GreatCalgarian
Scott1 less judgmental than s2a
Katzpur less judgmental than Mr Spinkle
.....
.....
Okay, guess the case is strong enough and proven.

Guys, do not take this post too seriously, just trying to brighten up this place:bounce

 

[greatcalgarian]

I think I actually agree with you; but when you think of it, Christianity concentrates on a core of 'love' therefore tends to make Christians less judgemental, despite what the non theists seem to believe!

I presume the statement means that non-theists are less loving than Christians?

Or does it mean that non theists are incapable or less capable of showing love compared to Christians?

Or is it still the same hidden feeling that "I am holier than thou" attitude that enhanced and consolidate your feeling and conclusion that Christians are less judgemental?

 

[greatcalgarian]

Read this article on the Humanist page, and you can see why I said that non-theists are more tolerant:
http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/bullough_22_2.htm

One major change brought about by the terrorist attacks of September 11, has been to inject a new group into the religious equation—the Muslims; this will strengthen multiculturalism and further weaken the influence of groups that hold that the United States is or must become a Christian nation. In order not to alienate our potential Islamic allies the president, most of the press, and the U.S. political establishment have encouraged mass education about Islam. Large numbers of American Muslims who had more or less deliberately kept a low profile have emerged to claim their place in the religious pantheon. We are quite clearly no longer a Christian or even a Judeo-Christian country, but a multireligious one in which Muslims have an important place. In the process, other groups—Sikhs, Hindus, Buddhists, Parsees, Orthodox Christians, and others who have also long been silent—have also emerged to national prominence and are insisting on their rights. Quite clearly, most U.S. citizens still belong to one religion or another, but the only way disparate groups can be held together is in a tolerant secular state, something humanists very much want. It is also the only way the United States can defeat terrorism.

 

[Scuba Pete]

If I were to say the things about "other" religions that atheists are allowed to say about Christianity, I would be censured on a daily basis.