Prediction: How Progressive Christians Will Save Jesus

[joe1776]

An exemplar who tolerated slavery?

Your moral role model, right?

Ciao

- viole

Did you miss the part where I wrote "with some careful tweaking?" You don't doubt that scripture can be interpreted to support any position for Jesus that we prefer. Do you?

 

[joe1776]

That's violence under any circumstance... But if you make it non-violent it can be done in self defense... Nor does it denounce passive equanimity (Ahimsanibbana)... The thing that will make war obsolete.

"Passive equanimity" is seen by the violent bullies of the world as weakness, which only urges them to more violence.

If a Loving Creator exists -- and I allow that possibility -- and it wanted us to have free will along with moral guidance, then conscience is that guide. And conscience informs us that it is not wrong to kill when necessary in self-defense.

If one's interpretation of scripture opposes conscience, then the interpretation is wrong -- a failure of reason. That's in my opinion, of course.

 

[Muffled]

Will you elaborate, please? In what way are the people staying "wheat" and the people leaving or simply not accepting the traditional faith of their parents, "chaff?"

I believe a person is really with Jesus or not. What happens sometimes is that it becomes attractive to be associated with Jesus without really being with Him. That was also the case when Jesus had a large following but most of them fell away when things got difficult.

 

[Muffled]

Jesus is Adam, God's first son, The King of the Jews. Jesus requires that you forgive everyone, how could you be asked or held to something God could not do? God forgiving all sins means were covered.

I believe you are in error. There is no evidence that Jesus is Adam.

I believe you are in error. I believe you can't be covered by the act but only by the blood. I found this out when a demon attacked me. Jesus had died on the cross for me but I still felt guilty because I had not yet understood and accepted. The demon was driven away by the song: "Nothing but the Blood of Jesus." I had to allow the blood of Jesus to take away my sin.

 

[joe1776]

I believe a person is really with Jesus or not. What happens sometimes is that it becomes attractive to be associated with Jesus without really being with Him. That was also the case when Jesus had a large following but most of them fell away when things got difficult.

When people don't understand how to be "with Jesus," is it their fault? Isn't Christianity about teaching that?

 

[Muffled]

Fantastic. My thoughts also. Except Jesus can be presented as a pacifist I think. If He has to kill the evil doers (as per 10 commandments), knowing the divorce statistics nowadays, then not many would survive. And when they survive the "marry till death do us part", probably they go down on one of the others. So I would think Jesus will not kill the wrong doers.

All other points I really like. This Jesus better come soon.

I believe Jesus made it very plain who would not die, those who know Him.

 

[Muffled]

When people don't understand how to be "with Jesus," is it their fault? Isn't Christianity about teaching that?

I believe so but many churches are failing to do this. Then the people who need the message are not in one of the churches that do preach it.

 

[joe1776]

I believe so but many churches are failing to do this. Then the people who need the message are not in one of the churches that do preach it.

Earlier, though, you called the people who were leaving their churches "chaff." Can you put the blame on them if they weren't being taught how to "be with Jesus?"
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[Drew Henefer]

I believe you are in error. There is no evidence that Jesus is Adam.

I believe you are in error. I believe you can't be covered by the act but only by the blood. I found this out when a demon attacked me. Jesus had died on the cross for me but I still felt guilty because I had not yet understood and accepted. The demon was driven away by the song: "Nothing but the Blood of Jesus." I had to allow the blood of Jesus to take away my sin.

Makes no sense if not.

 

[MonkeyFire]

"Passive equanimity" is seen by the violent bullies of the world as weakness, which only urges them to more violence.

If a Loving Creator exists -- and I allow that possibility -- and it wanted us to have free will along with moral guidance, then conscience is that guide. And conscience informs us that it is not wrong to kill when necessary in self-defense.

If one's interpretation of scripture opposes conscience, then the interpretation is wrong -- a failure of reason. That's in my opinion, of course.

I already agreed self defense with a non-violent kill is valid.

 

[joe1776]

I already agreed self defense with a non-violent kill is valid.

Give me an example of a non-violent kill, please.

 

[MonkeyFire]

Give me an example of a non-violent kill, please.

Temptation.

 

[joe1776]

Temptation.

Temptation is an example of a non-violent kill? I can't make sense of that at all.

 

[MonkeyFire]

Temptation is an example of a non-violent kill? I can't make sense of that at all.

It's a word I made up for the nature of the underlord who only helps hell.

 

[Muffled]

Earlier, though, you called the people who were leaving their churches "chaff." Can you put the blame on them if they weren't being taught how to "be with Jesus?"
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I believe a person who wants the truth will search for it. If a person needs to hear the gospel message there are TV programs that can provide it if one gets the right ones.

 

[Muffled]

Makes no sense if not.

I don't see you using reason. Logic works this way. Syllogism: fact one is true fact two is true, so conclusion must be true.

 

[Drew Henefer]

You'll figure it out...First and last, King of the Jews.....Davids' Lord to his lord.....Then doing everything that solidifies himself....(statues around the world and the hearts of man)….